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asciilifeform: if one dun give a damn whether to live in a public toilet, it's ~the~ public toilet.
asciilifeform: lulazon , for all that i spit on it, worx. like a well-cleaned airport toilet in munich .
BingoBoingo: Maybe they did? Anyways what I read this afternoon was MP opening up the chance to start deploying S.NSA funds to rent and give pipe to a rack, that while in hostile lands is near-ish to asciilifeform who seems married to the same lands. When faced with this offer the reflexive response was to terminally stall on the fiat/BTC conversion problem. You did not propose investigating or collaborating with other folks still stuck inside the
asciilifeform: it's squeezed out the actual-people rack-a-box biz.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944215 << not really, tbh. Would rather not be chained to the zone for any longterm. Medium term plans include sitting tight while I save up a sizable wad of fiatola (now that I *can* actually save) and sort through the crap I've accumulated; sending unessentials to /dev/null
asciilifeform: the people who 'Just Want'(tm)(r) 'a box, 24/7, dun want to swap raid disks, or keep a greasy asciilifeform around to voltage test ps' etc. are all nao in 'cloud'.
lobbes: Ended up just calling my current usg hoster I use for the logs; they said no problem and would get a second server leased and provisioned 'today' (albeit I was told this 12 hours ago) . I'll say one thing, at least this particular usg hoster is responsive.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:39:54 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure
asciilifeform: it's a wonder, BingoBoingo , that anyone came to piz. did they just take pity on us rubes or wat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe FG also just a fashion accessory. whocares whether installed, aha.
ericbot: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:54:14 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Power for dollar, you do seem to have a knack for buying machines. As I'm digesting the day's conversation the objection from mp seems to be the mindset which produces this frugality is handicapping when extended to other areas.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Newegg. SSD and a power supply in the right form factor for the case were iirc the big expenses
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I assembled it from parts. RAM, SSD, etc add up. Did not come from a surplus pile.
asciilifeform: ( 500 seems steep for such a thing, btw, imho. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd only plug it in to see if it draws the aggro, and no. They simply unblocked the IPs per Oscar's report. Oscar is candid when the salesorcs aren't around. But... He's in a position where he's the telecom manager by title and has not the telecom to manage
asciilifeform: it's a , wat, 100bux box ?
BingoBoingo: And Imma do a test
BingoBoingo: Well last eta to restore something resembling a service was 1 month
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944170 << he did say 'do it tomorrow if i dun find a proper' neh.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944153 << this is a point -- why couldn't bot control www standups.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 20:55:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944047 << if this were to be done I'd say trinque probably better fit for the role. While I am always hungry for BTC, my orcbux stash took a hit while jettisoning dependopotamus. I'm currently regrouping financially speaking, and while my monthly cashflow should be increasing by ~ $1k in the coming months, I'll still be at 'pauper' level in real terms. Consumption continues to be slashed, howe
asciilifeform: ( since was asked for inventory : there are 3 'apu1' amd machines, w/out ears. an' a set of ears. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: but ya didnt ask him to bake a phuctor.
asciilifeform: a
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944144 << ftr i actually agree with mp_en_viaje , it's, wat, a 100ln proggy?!
asciilifeform: nao, does anyone want such a thing racked !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: contains, fwiw, a 'xeon' (intelism) 2x cpu. 2 5in. bays, some form of raid (will have to boot up if interested.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i missed a crate when inventoried x86 boxen.
mp_en_viaje: turkey evidently doesn't want to outright quit but wouldn't mind being expelled, then it can pretty much sell europe to the russians like a common whore, by the night or by the hour, by the hole or by the pair.
lobbes: this makes a lot of sense
mp_en_viaje: but ultimately, the bot's supposed to count for a small to medium sized corp all by itself, do the job of 500 or so of the useless fuckheads calling themselves "employees" in pantsuitistan
ossabot: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:20:48 mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion".
mp_en_viaje: nothing keeps you from having a simple !f nc f <25 bot for public usage except for your not having thought about it and me talking in a vacuum on trilema and in general. but the "system" was long ago raped wide open, all it needs is proper interfacing
lobbes: interesting, so like, instead of posting via a web login, just submit a post via bot?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943810 << I think I get this now, and it fits with the theme of today's logs of the republic *taking ownership of a space* before the orcs do their thing. In this instance, it is the blogification of irc, and if it takes until 2020 than we've already lost the plot of the job in the first place
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:33:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.
mp_en_viaje: i can't imagine you need my approval or for that matter oppinion for getting yourself a box. go, get, what.
diana_coman: ftr, if no human can be found, I'll lease a server in turkey and be done with it.
asciilifeform: i'ma get a 2nd quote for 'all cage' in case.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is admirable, but even with them rating the ports as "burtable"... I suspect mp's inclination to get a full Gb pipe up front is how to keep the same sort of network farting from trashing the operation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my notion was to get a coupla holes and serve as 'horse rider' to 2-3 people. at same time topping off slowly own meagre coin sack, at the rate permitted by asciilifeform's pauperty.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It doesn't. But we are going through a forced diversification movement anyways.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje sometimes seems to think that asciilifeform is a 1/32th scale model of himself. but no, asciilifeform is a pauper, and not even grade-a pauper .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the thought of filling a 42u in usa still makes me queasy. 1 day i'ma show up there and it'll be empty, 'oops'
asciilifeform: then we can get cabinet and a thick pipe etc.
asciilifeform: was gonna get a 2u.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you need a 2nd pair of hands, i'ma follow your instruction to look for 'human'. but atm strongly suspect that we will have to ride horses.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my approach was to find a ~reasonable~ dc to which can get with own hands. and to fall on the grenade of paying it from pocket. but i can see wai mp_en_viaje barfed.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: you know, there were at least *some* in the whole list saying kvm; and I'm pretty sure I don't have a full list anyway.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if yer ~leasing~ a box, will get what the people have, not what you want. even in that ukr thing diana_coman found that supposedly opterons. they'll be with ipmi etc. this is inevitable.
BingoBoingo: Well, how much does a dulap spec machine run for on the market atm, and are there any indications as to how deep the market is. You did say earlier that they are getting rarer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay
asciilifeform: a+++ mp_en_viaje karateka today btw.
mp_en_viaje: and 30yo concert musician to own, if not necessarily 100k worth of violin, then definitely 100k worth of violin if HE PLAYS THE VIOLIN, and twice so if he has a collection of antique panflutes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform might be intransigent, but aint a liar. i dun got 100k of any.
asciilifeform: what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another.
mp_en_viaje: do you or do you not currently posses and are the owner of a number of cpus made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of pcbs made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of other just as useless paraphenalia made by just as defunct same co
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint got a comp warehouse ! and moreover have nfi why mp_en_viaje thought -- did.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 16 ( 17, incl desk test bed ) rk. + a room fulla laboratory gear, such as is kept by fella who never even in nightmare pictured to run a dc.
mp_en_viaje: not 100%, but a majority.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the proposition of buing new, off eggazon w/e, to fill a rack significantly less appealing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have a www. since '07. was even under impression that mp_en_viaje occasionally read it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you think i'd sit on a rack's worth of comp and not say ?
mp_en_viaje: so you're more of an electrician than a computer scientist, the bulk of your garbage trove is in fact unrelated to computing as such
mp_en_viaje: yes, honestly, i had formed the impression that after years of perusing the penny-to-dollar electronic surplus stores you amassed a large collection of perfectly serviceable parts, that could in a pinch produce a cabinets worth of servers. i did.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it'd depend what's rackworthy ! but in asciilifeform's eyes, not errything with a cpu in it is 'rackworthy'
asciilifeform: what , did mp_en_viaje think asciilifeform was sitting on top of a dc ?!
mp_en_viaje: and make a fucking inventory already, "alf's list of the most-likelky-to-be-worth-racking 24 u items currently in his warehouse"
asciilifeform: it aint a bad price.
mp_en_viaje: a coin's worth two of those.
mp_en_viaje: dude, i already said, wtf. <mp_en_viaje> get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: other thing, whole cage may be 750, but bw for a rack's wortha boxen would be coupla k/m
mp_en_viaje: this'd be a perfect opportunity to put all that to work, also.
mp_en_viaje: well looky, your conference call, inasmuch as it was predicated on "talk to dc about my soda & 2 large popcorn budget" was a waste of your time.
mp_en_viaje: get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:59:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 19:18:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942598 << ftr asciilifeform can afford to feed a 3-4hundy cow. but so long as in fact gives milk. and still seems steep imho .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 1 prob. atm is that asciilifeform can't yet feed a 750/m rack .
mp_en_viaje: it seems to be the case saving 20 bucks a day is not worth the "own rack" outlay
mp_en_viaje: so get a cage, ideal, can lock it.
asciilifeform: a:'how long would take for arin bureaucracy' bmore:'~week'
mp_en_viaje: get a coupla c blocks to start with, distinct, and "raid" them.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, honestly this sounds like a pretty decent deal.
asciilifeform: finally, there is no contract, it's a monthly thing.
asciilifeform: ergo, minimal cost to house a single machine running at sustained 10Mb/s (very thin imho) is 150 $ us / mo ( + orctax ) .
asciilifeform: racks are kolhoz, if one buys less than whole rack, a d00d with a camera stands there while you fiddle in it.
asciilifeform: for physical slots, that is, cheap. bw -- less cheap. they want 50 $ (usa) per 10Mb-sustained. ( and in fact boxen get plugged into a Gb/s port , and expected to ration selves , erry 10Mb/s/mo costs 50 , if somehow eat 100Mb/s/mo or equiv. weight, costs 500 ! )
mp_en_viaje: only 20k words today in 800 lines, what, a novel/day
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:42:25 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943108 << I see your point. fwiw I'd be willing to give a chicken-finding discount once all is said and done
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-19 16:36:37 asciilifeform: oook here's an experiment : asciilifeform set up a mirror of the logotron on a cheap heathen host. ( one of the most rubbish hosters known, lulazon's . hence cannot in fact stand up copy of bot there, fleanode bans conns from it unless sslized. but the db is current. )
mp_en_viaje: so let's say a selection of all.
mp_en_viaje: yeah, that's the last thing we need, have a proper outage next time.
asciilifeform elbowed a key and mp_en_viaje's caesar ended up where the front sector camera running image normally is on asciilifeform's left-lower lcd. asciilifeform sees, and goes 'wtf' before realizes
diana_coman: so need a serious whip too or on-repeat
BingoBoingo: If all we are is clean we're just compulsively grooming in a population sink experiment