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ben_vulpes: may as well just gpg-gram it
to everyone in l2, who knows if someone else might get
to code review before me
ben_vulpes: gpg-gram and paste it
to me, i'll get
to it eventually
shinohai: @ ben_vulpes when you have
time some evening I have a very crude bash script I would like you
to help me improve.
assbot: Activists use
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shinohai: o/ pete_dushenski enjoy your
trb node!
adlai pushes
to
the blog-stack: "Version String Malleability Considered Harmful"
ben_vulpes: you know where
the void is, and
the invitation
to scream into it probably won't close any
time soon.
ben_vulpes: adlai: i dun much care one way or
t'other, but if you don't want
to get null-routed you're going
to have
to give more of a shit about how
the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'.
mod6: well,
time doesn't matter.. it's in
the logs.
adlai: but
thank you for reminding me:
adlai: damnit mod6, isn't
that a fiat
thing? someday
trb should fix
the calendar,
too
adlai: ben_vulpes: so, see,
that's a
tricky question. some people have
told me
that small offers are noise, and i intend
to do roughly zero
to address
that complaint, because mpex accepts
them, so
they're signal. if you're asking about psychobabble - of course, although i'll use my judgement, which has been known
to differ from
that of other people.
adlai: danielpbarron: do you
think online poker's
target market overlaps
this WoT? i'm
trying
to guage viability... plaintext WoT poker is a weekend project, for me or any lurker looking for one.
adlai may be noisy at
times, but he's not an idiot.
adlai: ben_vulpes: no, i have a death wish and can't
translate sarcasm into
text.
phf: hehe, gall looks pretty fucked up in
that video
ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell asciilifeform subkeys ruining someone's day?
ben_vulpes: adlai: d'you intend
to do something about
the snr complaints?
mod6: which reminds me... i gotta update my wot ratings one of
these days.
mod6: hey
thank's pete_dushenski
adlai: "most" poker players will lose money, and
that's fine. but
the few
that win it, will have no noobs
to fleece, if nobody shows up after a couple games.
adlai is not
talking about collusion, but
the reason people play poker
to begin with:
to feel like a poker player (leaving aside
the money aspect)
danielpbarron: more like, "i
think you're cheating, so i won't sit at any
tables with you"
danielpbarron: poker designer just needs
to serve up well shuffled cards and move
the chips around
ben_vulpes: more relevantly
to
the problem, how would a webpoker designer address collusion?
☟︎ adlai: still, even for people you know personally. isn't computerized interaction
too low-dimensional
to allow for interesting leakage in a poker game?
☟︎ danielpbarron: coppers can be
turned into satoshi, although it's not really worth making a
transaction over 0.0001 worth
adlai only accepts satoshis (or finished product produced by expenditure of
time, cutting out
the middleman codeslinger), but apparently
there are brokers around
danielpbarron: adlai> what's
the least you'd be willing
to pay for an mpex shuffle generator? << 10k coppers
danielpbarron: WoT poker just needs
to be like Eulora, in
that
they only way
to play is by first being in
the WoT
☟︎ adlai: for
the purposes of
this discussion, anything webby/graphic short of a pgp-signed livestream is roughly equivalent
to plaintext
adlai revives-by-mention
the
thread about "wot poker", wondering what
the purpose / whence
the pleasure of poker-over-plaintext... most importantly, what
tells!?
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for mod6 with note: co-chair of
trbf. gentleman.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: b-a became shark
tank around
the
time kevin o'leary left cbc's dragon's den :P
adlai wonders what
the "SLUT XXX" key does... `!s "other news"` perhaps?
adlai: the planet as a whole is positive sum, except for brief instances
that give enough of an artistic experience
that
they're worth more
than
the sunlight
they obscure
adlai: but
they're all positive-sum, because "feel like a
trader"
ascii_rear: adlai:
there are no 'positive-sum'
things on planet3, you gotta burn something (or push somebody out of a sunbeam)
to run
adlai: but i lack experience in both fields
to make a stronger statement.
ascii_rear: and it shouldn't
take more
than 1-2 blows
adlai: ascii_rear: so, re:poker... my guess is
that once i'm more familiar with poker, and know how
to Win(tm) at it, i'd analogize "positive-sum poker"
to penny stock games pretty much 1:1
ascii_rear: (the standard among connoisseurs appears
to be - keyboard you can break a skull with. but i say you oughta be able
to break a DOOR)
adlai: this is a blog post, dissertation, or life's work... not
ten hundred words on irc.
adlai points back
to
the key word: 'trivialize'
mircea_popescu: this is a common delusion of
the young. you will notice, nevertheless,
that in general funds underperform.
ascii_rear: well sure. market moves money from 'stupid pockets'
to 'smart pockets'
adlai: among fiat finance professionals, voicing
this idea invariably results in devoicing.
adlai is
talking about markets where people
trade one
thing for another, and some people
try
to arbitrage across
time or space
adlai: hmm. honestly, i'm not enough of a poker player
to
tell (see what i did
there?) how
this extends
to card games.
adlai is not
talking about 'manipulation', which doesn't exist anyway...
that's a fiat fiction
ascii_rear: adlai:
this is an old idea, among, e.g., poker players
adlai: Markets -- while -EV for animals, idiots, and
the
tone-deaf -- are positive-sum for people who play in
tune.
adlai: to
trivialize
the bulletproof idea which survives[1] long after i'm devoiced, whether by shifting social fashion, failed
trades, or failed biology: ((though we might see Bitcoin cease
to Exist before any human shows up
to defend it))
ascii_rear: idk i like
to
think
that i grasp some of
this context
adlai has Come
To Expect (tm)
that nobody here shares any of
the context which he relies upon, and henceforth [tries]
to say pure signal, supported by maximal context, devoid of humor... it's less fun but let's give it a
try
ascii_rear: if cats could speak, i would speak
to cats.
ascii_rear: i even (be astonished!)
talk
to vexual.
adlai: (nor "dope", but
that really is
too long a story, and resides "in another castle")
ascii_rear: adlai: shorthand for 'nobody can make sense of wtf
this fella is on about'
adlai: perhaps "depression" or "vexual" are not as monochrome as prices on a
ticker.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 19:04:29; asciilifeform: 'every morning, when you wake up, look in
the mirror; if you notice
that you are not a mircea_popescu,
ascii_rear: well for a long
time he posted interesting lispisms, etc. and
then it was suddenly... Vexual
ascii_rear: my understanding is
that he suffered from general-purpose depression on account of not being mircea_popescu - something
that happens
to most folks here periodically
adlai: i'd put a youtube link
to "ideas are bulletproof", but conjuring assbot is noisier
than letting people google/recall for
themselves.
adlai shorted his identity
to hell,
that's not what he's defending...
mircea_popescu: yes,
there is also miscommunication. like you know, exactly how noise on
the channel breaks
the jitterbug.
adlai: there is also miscommunication, exacerbated by
the limitations of ascii (give or
take a unicode page)
mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps because i've broken
the stupid in
too many slavegirls, or perhaps for whatever other reason, but
the pattern's obvious
to me. guy gets a shot at working on mpex, blows it, out of dedication
to protecting a certain identity flaw. has shot at b-a voice, blows it, out of same. will continue
to blow everything in same manner for same reason indefinitely.
ascii_rear: there is organic stupidity;
there is also
the exogenous kind
mircea_popescu: that's
the
thing. education is mere power. stupidity is drive.
the
two have almost nothing in common.
ascii_rear: i see
this mainly among folk who never learned
to interact with
their environment in a mechanical way, and are stuck playing strictly by
talking
to people
mircea_popescu: guy gotta defend his bower, because
totally, we're collecting blue items over here,
that's what we're doing.
mircea_popescu: seems well structured
to my eyes, in
this cyclic pattern.
mircea_popescu: captive in
this "let's go out" "omaigerd i have so many questions and stuff i gotta say about it and and" "nevermind" "WAIT WAIT HOW COULD YOU SAY
THAT
TO ME!11" bullshit 16yo females are supposed
to have outgrown.
adlai blames it on
the parents, because
that's what mircea_popescu said!
adlai: exactly,
there is none (the latter,
that is)
adlai: ascii_rear: apparently
the MPIA got hold of my diploma
adlai is not a fan of directed acyclic graphs, where humans are concerned... age has improved his patience, but
teen-adlai was really bad at
this
mircea_popescu: well he did get kicked out didn't he ? or what was
the story ?
adlai: ascii_rear: you can ask my superiors, who incidentally are all on
their way
to various CS degrees, and periodically ping me (not meni,and not mircea)with
their dumb questions about bitcoin... someday maybe
they'll even show up here.