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adlai: ;;later tell mike_c candle charts lacking a couple weeks of recency
adlai: the problem, as our mopheaded joo 'discovered', is that even human stupidity is relative
ben_vulpes: don't you dare grow proud of tools that you made to wrap your hands around the shitworld's throat trinque. it's not a symbolics machine!
trinque: I'm quite liking the texture of this turd atm
ben_vulpes: i'm curious to see if your makefile works on this (apprently) insane device, trinque.
adlai: kakobrekla: what are the qualifications? L4? ability to verify deeds? these things have to be selective, to keep out idiots...
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:35:14; asciilifeform: i do not understand why openbsd is revered today
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365969 << possibly the same psychological process that makes people proud of impenetrable shell scripts for munging text ☝︎
asciilifeform: very apt, in that neither came to anything or is ever likely to.
asciilifeform: in the middle ages.
asciilifeform: trinque: there was also an effort to stitch monkey and dog together
trinque: there was an effort to shit portage onto openbsd
asciilifeform: and theo boils his belt and accordion while 'aggressive queergendered' eat caviar in 'hackathons'
ben_vulpes: if it continues to fail to compile trb i may embark on gentoo quest instead.
asciilifeform: and they have done their work on the miserable os, and it shows
asciilifeform: i do not understand why openbsd is revered today ☟︎
asciilifeform: EVEN ON GENTOO i do not suffer this
asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus ☟︎
asciilifeform: the build system is thoroughly infested with crud
ben_vulpes: trb compiled just dandily on the ubuntu i had on the box previously
asciilifeform: esp. now that it ACTUALLY WORKS because no more idiot glibc crud
asciilifeform: this is prolly the reasonable thing to do.
asciilifeform: iirc when i did netbsd i built for linux and used the compat layer.
asciilifeform: it's a toshiba libretto 100ct.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have an openbsd box here but it will not build trb, not enough ram (+swap even)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have a linux trb, but I keep sideshow because inertia and curiosity.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 02:56:50; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365915 << remind me again why you have a sideshow thing and not trb ☝︎
ben_vulpes: anyways, this is all a bloody mystery to me. i've never seen a sh script crap out midway through and not run its remaining bits, but thats what stator seems to do over here.
asciilifeform: fwiw i have full bore civilized gcc toolchain on my salt mine mbp.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that is not what i'm working on.
asciilifeform: (and it is not clear why this'd be a useful thing)
BingoBoingo was drunk for most of the chopping so most details are lost to history
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The one where I apply alf patches to 0.7.2 after finding locations and they usually work
BingoBoingo doesn't remember details of the setup he uses to compile bastard client, should prolly work on that after getting some newsing done
ben_vulpes: i don't even know what the right version *would* be, beyond "not apple's"
BingoBoingo: Is that the right version?
ben_vulpes: 'linker file input unused because linking not done' << anyone ever see this while compiling trb on open bsd?
BingoBoingo: There's no need to wonder about things actually being seen on the network.
BingoBoingo: Even without that it is clear from the BitBet payout problem that people are running nodes that malleate to low-s
BingoBoingo: It's even been pointed out here before. After the "mysterious" amaclin fellow malleated transactions to high-s the power rangers started operating some nodes that automalleated everything passing through to low-s
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: YES THERE ARE, ADVERTISED EVEN, NO WONDERING REQUIRED!
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets. << Likely
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hashes to hashes, dust to dust << Gotta keep the dust under control though. Fans and everything.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed ☟︎
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia << makes me wonder if there are nodes out there that malleate/fellate txs from high-s to low-s and rebroadcast
BingoBoingo: PLS STAHP THE PM'S until I catch up on lawgs
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 00:35:16; mircea_popescu: <davout> adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365659 << I tried this February 2013 at around $20/Bitcoin with a few IRL contacts. Most gambled everything to nothing, the other one lost theirs to a pnoHe blockchain.info wallet. ☝︎
mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets.
mircea_popescu: clearly bitbet lost a lot of confidence over the bitcoin-sucks debacle
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BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'. << Designed by putting candidates in agar with potential targets and seeing if werx
asciilifeform off to pet pet
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 << Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Difference between Pogoplug Mobile and Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYTd7T )
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: trb compilation detects machine architecture when building right? so build on machine run on same machine. or do I have to configure some flag for the machine I'm compiling + running on?
asciilifeform: and the colour logo is not in the pic
mircea_popescu: adlai> but do we really want to go full wottard? << stop with the "we", and yes we do.
mats: (which iirc is the one with sata dock)
mats: asciilifeform: in fact, that doesn't look like a series 4
asciilifeform just tested and got ~15 second tx propagation.
mircea_popescu: i would strongly advise anyone using trb in production to at least test this patch.
mats: asciilifeform: oh, didn't spot that in a search for 'pogoplug series 4'
mircea_popescu: sooo... it pleases me to announce that private testing shows alf's patch not only removes 80% of bullshit "nodes" trying to connect, but it also improves network thoroughput by a factor of about 700
mircea_popescu: <adlai> fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus <<< this was discussed here a number of times, actually.
mircea_popescu: was training exercise.
asciilifeform: it is trivial to make.
asciilifeform: (iso that booted to trb)
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics
mircea_popescu: sciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365773 << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v << yeah that's the why. but it ran on a desktop. ☝︎
asciilifeform: hashes to hashes, dust to dust
adlai: oops, i meant - "from ashes we came, to dust we'll returnz"
adlai: "any WoT can grow large enough to accomodate two people who wish to slit each others' throats"
asciilifeform: adlai: translation?
adlai: (this is more of an efficiency question than ethics... as i said - premature optimization)
asciilifeform: the 'general public' deserves ONE THING: to die in the sewers.
adlai: but... do we really want to go full wottard?
asciilifeform: adlai: the latter is the only reasonable thing
adlai: but do we really want to go full wottard?
trinque: why would the utxo set always have to live in ram?
adlai always had a thing for premature optimisation
asciilifeform: generally you will see this in trb if you built for $machine but you have $othermachine.
adlai: fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 01:43:46; adlai: let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365805 << incidentally, i surveyed all known routers on the market. all have severe ram constraint (very few better than pogo, costliest have perhaps 512m) and no sata, ever ☝︎
adlai will have to implement his own, so it runs on his 'pogo' ☟︎
asciilifeform: adlai: not only do we not use hearn's bloom filter, but an hour ago i have banned anyone showing symptoms of doing so from connecting to my nodes.
adlai: asciilifeform: do you know what a bloom filter is? you can set it arbitrarily paranoid... ie, more paranoid than ripemd160, which you're forced to use, because.. satoshi!
adlai: it's not mass production if some nonwot-shitshop craps them out by the chinafull
trinque: propose a better way to get a large number of trb nodes in the wild
trinque: adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all. << it's not "monoculture"; it's mass production
adlai: you don't need much of an index if you trust your own bloom filtration
asciilifeform: before a single tx lands in the pool
asciilifeform: adlai: if you keep up with the ml - you will know that block index alone is >150M on warmup
adlai: oh we should strive to meet it, there's no reason not to. utxo-in-memory is retardation, nothing more to it.