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ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu prolly writes his electrical schematics as netlists every
time, etc
ascii_butugychag: jurov: my understanding is
that mircea_popescu is so allergic
to 'visual
thinker'-ism
that he barfs just
thinking about any such
thing being intrinsic
to some aspect of whatever discipline
mircea_popescu: for some reason most of my barbarian friends seem
to prefer it!
jurov: mircea_popescu with all your hate of english why do you suddenly deem it fit
to express math concepts unadorned?
mircea_popescu: it's not only unspecified, it's also... unusable by a machine. because who
the fuck knows when you'll feel
the need for colored unicodemen
ascii_butugychag: with
the difference
that i don't have
to catch stroustrup and hang him upside-down and soldering iron
to get new mathematical notation when i need it...
ascii_butugychag: just
that i operate using an idea of meaning
that lets me make
things happen, occasionally, rather
than having
to stay in bed because we have not actually discovered REAL MEANING yet
mircea_popescu: what's
the difference between
the forty and
the sixty pixel
tall long line with
the little vertical ends ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you know
that
thing as displayed is actually meaningless.
mircea_popescu: and
the argument
that it "beats words" is not unlike
the argument
that clang "beats lisp" because "apple ipad!!11"
mircea_popescu: "kinda most of
the stuff except what we don't understand"
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 23:01:59; jurov: actually, having clear
transcription rules between math symbols <-> plain english would be spiffy
jurov: if math analysis was
taught in lisp,
that would maybe not be
the case
jurov: oh,
that it very much does for 99 out of 100
thinkers
ascii_butugychag: and
the 'pdf must die and not replaced with anything like it'
thing
ascii_butugychag: jurov: it was originally about 'whether maths require a graphics
terminal'
jurov: well, i
thought
thread concerns spreading of information and definition of alphabet
ascii_butugychag: trinque: and your
tracker is all-ascii, and runs on 'do, ra, mi' in paragraph form ?
trinque: as for music I prefer a
tracker, or yes, writing code
to produce it
ascii_butugychag: verbalize
this for me. and explain why anyone outside of a mental asylum would want
to manipulate
the
thing in
that form.
trinque: god
that's another motherfucking
terrible notation and I play music!
trinque: and you are missing
the part where I'm asking a damn question.
trinque: if it is up
to you entirely
to invent
the notation, I don't know why one would go
to one with non-obvious evaluation order and all manner of other problems I
thought lisp solved
trinque: your example is
that "I was able
to wrangle someone else's nonsense with lisp" and I agree it does
that rather well.
trinque: took something
that fits
to sexps just fine, made HOON
☟︎ jurov: omg now
they pull even c++ into
the discussion
trinque: why not invent operators all day in C++ ? and were you
to explain
the distinction between
the
two,
the conversation would end right
there.
ascii_butugychat: (how
to write integral? what if i want
the stick longer? do i have
to spend all day fitting
the bloody
thing
to a grid?)
jurov: *then* wwe can revisit
the arguemnt
jurov: and now, if
that effort would run into problems, because math symbols are superset of written engl or some such
jurov: computer could render formulas from
text, without relying on
TeX or worse
ascii_butugychat: it is 'only' shorthand in exactly
the same sense
that
the letters on your screen are 'shorthand' for raw bits
jurov: actually, having clear
transcription rules between math symbols <-> plain english would be spiffy
☟︎ jurov: but in
the end, it is actually only shorthand.
jurov: also, i can't imagine
taking notes on math analysis lectures using "plaintext" only
☟︎ jurov: symbolic shorthand is very useful for a mathematician who want
to pack as much stuff as possible into his viewport/chalkboard
ascii_butugychat: (but not
that i do not earn my bread in front of a classroom, also)
ascii_butugychat: i am NOT interested in dealing with
this in motherfuking VERBAL form
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 20:57:40;
trinque: mircea_popescu │
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're
taking. <<
the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) plain english, and even better, represented as an explicit
tree with s-expressions.
that one can parse
the hieroglyphs when he's habituated
to
them... fine, but I
thought we were after "fits in head" here. how much skull-space does
that
kakobrekla: seems like blockchain.info resolves
that bet
CowManure: I'm just curious based on
the comments in
the bet i posted
CowManure: were either of
those answers
to my question?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size
to increase before July 2016 :: 0.94 B (31%) on Yes, 2.09 B (69%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 65`028 (100`000
to 2`000) ... (
http://bit.ly/1RKkQi8 )
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell psztorc Seriously,
thank you for
that
tip.
BingoBoingo: So, apparently qntra is hours ahead of
ther derp press on "ClassicCoin" fork. Who wants
to put odds on Qntra being days ahead of ragazine et al?
user1675_: it sucks harder
than my grandmas rotten socks
user1675_: i bet you hired an indian on craigslist
to build it for you
user1675_: i would like
to
take a fraction of my
time
to
talk about
mircea_popescu: chief among
those ways,
teach
them how
to
thing properly and watch
them lose interest and move on
trinque: mircea_popescu: your comment about symbolics murdering
the competition and saying "here is
the spec" for example.
trinque: the comment about syntactic barriers was
this,
that if
the hieroglyphs keep dummies from mauling
the field (even as a happy accident),
there are much better ways
to push
them out
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 05:28:22;
trinque: why create syntactic barriers
to understanding when you can just kill
the folks you don't want in your math club, anyway
trinque: mircea_popescu │
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're
taking. <<
the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) plain english, and even better, represented as an explicit
tree with s-expressions.
that one can parse
the hieroglyphs when he's habituated
to
them... fine, but I
thought we were after "fits in head" here. how much skull-space does
that
☝︎☟︎ ascii_butugychag: 'Councilman Clinton J. Olivier... ...asked Dyer a simple question: “Could you run my
threat level now?” Dyer agreed.
The scan returned Olivier as a green, but his home came back as a yellow, possibly because of someone who previously lived at his address, a police official said.'
ascii_butugychag: 'The Fresno City Council called a hearing on Beware in November after constituents raised concerns. Once council member referred
to a local media report saying
that a woman’s
threat level was elevated because she was
tweeting about a card game
titled “Rage,” which could be a keyword in Beware’s assessment of social media.'
ascii_butugychag: 'Exactly how Beware calculates
threat scores is something
that its maker, Intrado, considers a
trade secret, so it is unclear how much weight is given
to a misdemeanor, felony or
threatening comment on Facebook. '
ascii_butugychag: 'As officers respond
to calls, Beware automatically runs
the address.
The searches return
the names of residents and scans
them against a range of publicly available data
to generate a color-coded
threat level for each person or address: green, yellow or red.'
mircea_popescu: actually...
the motorbike dudes moved into heavy industry in
the 90s
ascii_butugychag: i've something
that beats mircea_popescu's huqsvarna motorcycle
ascii_butugychag: (e.g., some of
the police choppers where i live. i was shown one up close at a public expo,
tiny
thing)
mircea_popescu: yeah, but
these
tiny
things here discussed seemed more like chainsaw
than
turbojet.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, many of
the small helis on
the market
today are
turbojet
PeterL: less likely
to hit a deer if
travelling by helicopter