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mircea_popescu: and so if somehow monero became
the one, it would simply be
the one.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:
they're welcome
to want whatever
they'd like, and we're welcome
to disregard
their "feelings"
adlai does
think
there's
tangible value in a blockchain
that's ready
to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail
mircea_popescu: people keep loving
this idea where
they can "change"
things. unless money follows you can't change jack.
mircea_popescu: more properly put : what happens if someone actually
takes monero seriously, and decides
to disallow your future forks.
adlai: fluffypony: might want
to discuss
this amongst yourselves... being promoted
to capital B status might be grounds for its cancellation
fluffypony: adlai: we'll probably move
to annual later on, but yes
adlai: fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes
The Blockchain. do you
think
the biannual hardfork policy would remain?
fluffypony: adlai: I've also been receiving
those Ethereum spam messages
adlai: at least monero doesn't have
the implementation plurality braindamage
adlai notes
that
this alt does pass
the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified
to compare it
to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?)
copypaste: "bitcoin is doomed
to fail due
to block size. luckily vitalik buterin is
totally cool and stuff so buy eth now" or something of
that nature.
adlai: all
this
talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure
thestringpuller: adlai: same. but most of
these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal.
adlai: thestringpuller:
this was said outside of reddit,
to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright
mircea_popescu: in case you were wondering what
that is - probably reddit.
mircea_popescu: "What I’m doing with my life Currently working at Starbucks, but hopefully moving on
to bigger and better
things soon."
thestringpuller: adlai: i've been saying
the same
thing
to redditors, and
they usually flip
their shit.
mircea_popescu: because we live in
the world rather
than in
the crystalline
tower of pure
thought
that by rights should have been our inheritance ?
ben_vulpes: so
then why are we engaged in
this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over
the bit being flipped in
the opposite direction.
adlai: copypaste: fwiw, last
time somebody said reddit nonsense
to me i just
told
them "sounds like you've been spending
too much
time on reddit." and it
turned out dude had enough sense
to agree
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is it more difficult
to malleate
to low-s from high-s?
ben_vulpes: ive nfi what bb and pete were
thinking
ben_vulpes: just because i'm not complaining about
the moronic voicings in real
time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading
the logs elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: lol
take it easier mah dear activists,
there's need of educators also, as
that femininemagic chick pointed out :D
ben_vulpes: after all
the noise in
the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it.
copypaste: is so far out of
tune with reality,
there's no way
to -nicely-
talk him into sense
copypaste: some derp derping about how
the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion
this way or
that
copypaste: mircea_popescu: i started
to understand
things better when confronted with
the
truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way
ben_vulpes: heck,
that's how
the city was set up pre-interstate
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for
the
true believer (not everyone who reads
the books gives a shit, you realise,
though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in
two
things : uniques (on
the
theory
that hey, god wouldn't allow
the flock
to scatter) and miracles (on
the
theory
that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).
ben_vulpes would be entirely happy with horses and
trams
ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for fixing all
the damage cars do
to
the entirely serviceable
tarmac designed originally for bikes
mircea_popescu: sure. roads have
throughout
the history of states been
the largest expense.
mircea_popescu: grass still grows, whether on
top of oil or bare rock.
ben_vulpes: it's going
to end up
that way, mircea_popescu.
noobsRus: copypaste ben_vulpes happy
to hear
that (that no one cares). was hoping
to confirm
this. will continue
to enjoy
the show
then. won't waste anymore of your
time now
mircea_popescu: what if everyone in cascadia had
to ride wherever
they were going. you know, just like a century ago around
there
ben_vulpes: i don't fucking /park/
them,
that's for damn sure.
mircea_popescu: i would guess stables and all
that
takes just about as much space as parking does.
mircea_popescu: of course...i suppose if it comes
to it i could just ride.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you realise
that i've never in my adult life gone anywhere on a bike, nor would i ever go anywhere if i had
to go by bike ?
mircea_popescu: noobsRus once went
to
the dojo and asked
the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing
to
the welfare of
this discipline".
noobsRus: it's clear
that on
those channels
the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets
to shill/brigade/confuse
ben_vulpes: but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for
the asking.
ben_vulpes: parking is for megacorps who can afford
to waste
the space in
that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways.
noobsRus: thanks, fair enough. i've seen
the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being
the indirect beneficiary of
their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself
copypaste: quiznos? what a
terrible franchise
ben_vulpes: nevertheless
this is my
town, and more parking is not what i want.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't
tend
to
take
the lady
to arby's for your aniversary, so
their +ev move is
to push you out of
town.
jurov: i did not see any quotes in
the air
mircea_popescu: did you approve any quotes still up in
the air jurov ?
ben_vulpes: phf:
there aren't really "car people" in
town.
the closest
thing is
the various merchant groups owners all live in
the suburbs and operate a variant of
the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because
that's all
they understand.
mircea_popescu: few people here do, but
then again
that's not necessarily dispositive.
mircea_popescu: noobsRus
there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your
time, by all means.
copypaste: those sites have no value, so
there is no value in doing anything with
them.
copypaste: gpg is an implementation of pgp.
they are not interchangeable.
noobsRus: is
there any value in maintaining a
true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.?
ben_vulpes: phf: it's not "low car concentration" it's high people concentration.
the concentration of cars in an area is nigh-meaningless given
that a car
takes up > 8 m^2 of space for
typically one user, and
this imposes a hard upper bound on a)
the number of cars in a space and b)
the number of people you can cram into a space.
noobsRus: anyways... i have one question at
the moment
that perhaps someone can answer
noobsRus: yes, i will look into
the WoT
too, once i figure out how
to pgp correctly
noobsRus: a nobody with meager holdings who understands (i
think)
the gravity of
the situation. i would very much like for bitcoin
to remain as is (decentralized, incorruptible) and
the recently amplified USG-SV social engineering has been somewhat disconcerting
phf: ben_vulpes: portland seems
to have pretty low car concentration (compared dc area or even philly), i'm surprised
that
this is anything but an abstract "bikes vs. cars" bickering
mod6: i basically dropped
that code into
the Sign() { } function in key.h and am just looking at
that atm...
noobsRus: i appreciate
the work you do maintaining a narrative grounded in reality. with
the latest hearn stunt i felt i should perhaps explore ways i might assist
ben_vulpes: regardless of what
the merchants want,
tight on-street parking is both
the prime indicator
that and a core driver for a neighborhood being worth going
to and living in. merchant complaints entirely aside (what do
they know,
they've forgotten
the import of "foot
traffic" and "location location location"), sacrificing car parking for bike access is
the utter best way
to get more people
trafficing past your dumb shop.
noobsRus: hi all, been following along in b-a logs for a few months now. first would like
to say
thanks
to all for bringing some clarity
to
the bigblocksforking nonsense
that started last year
ben_vulpes: "because
the city decided
that on-street auto parking directly in front of
the stores was more important
than all-ages bike access
to
the future of
those districts." << heh, andersen with
the subtle shiv
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for
the gentoo novice, what are
the major de-poetteringizing flags
to be aware of and set?
phf: apropos, which version is display on lxr? i noticed
that it still has GetMyExternalIP logic, with dyndns etc.
mod6: to bring
the interface back up `ifconfig <iface> up`
mod6: so, start up bitcoin,
to disconnect your internet connection just do a `ifconfig <iface> down`,
then see
mod6: <+thestringpuller> yea it exited when
the connect failed << would someone like
to
test
this & log
their results so we can put
this one
to bed? basically should be able
to start up bitcoind, run a `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and an `ifconfig`,
then a `./bitcoind stop`,
then
the `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and `ifconfig` again
to see whats happening - perhaps even a
tail of
the last 100 lines of
the debug log...
mircea_popescu: "and
the organizers were okay with
that, but
to not inconvenience or surprise
the organizers, I decided
to present
the same
talk I had given at Security BSides Las Vegas in 2012."
mircea_popescu: how
the fuck
this isn't
the end of
that whole bsides
thing is anyone's guess. it's certainly
their plain and open intellectual surrender.
mircea_popescu: "It had been decided months ago
that I would give a
talk at Security BSides San Francisco.
The subject of my
talk was up in
the air until just before
the conference started"