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ben_vulpes: hard
to make a small steel mill.
the
things
tend
to be huge and dominate
the area or go out of business.
pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny
that
there might be engineering solutions
transferred within
there larger firms, but it
tends
to be a
trickle down from
the high-performance customers
to
the low, not
the other way around
jurov: well, say
titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has
to be developed. who pays for
this?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: and without
those mass-market suppliers,
they'd still use suppliers, just ones
that catered
to a smaller market
jurov: they do use majority of stuff off
the shelf from reliable suppliers, and
these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 16:17:36; pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary
titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty.
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of
the high-end firms are having custom materials made
too.
jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having
to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material
☟︎ jurov: but i was
talking about materials (and machinery)
pete_dushenski: you better have a unique
turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: but
these firms can't share
too
too many components with others (lessers) or else
their customers will be
ticked off
jurov: pete_dushenski: established production lines for all
the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in
town at
the best of
times. fine for pulling up
to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on
the wide open road
pete_dushenski: the nissans,
the mazdas,
the porsches,
the lambos... all need perfect roads.
this is exactly why all
these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over
themselves
to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.)
ben_vulpes: i can hear
the damn
thing depreciating just driving around
town.
pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret :
they all are
ben_vulpes: this is actually my greatest lament about
the corvette
BingoBoingo: car works fine on moderately shittier road if built body on frame like
truck.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov:
the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if
they foresee a possibility
to recoup it from
the chumps later
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 <<
this is readily disproven by
the markets for
tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need"
the mass market. so even if
these manufacturers might sell some swag
to
the plebes and make a dime doing it,
they arguably innovated more before
they reduced
themselves
to part-time sheep herding..
☝︎☟︎ pete_dushenski: oil products have a proven
track record of
transporting quite efficiently
jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of
tap every 20km
☟︎ pete_dushenski: the gasoline infrastructure
that exists also has no reason
to go anywhere as long as
there's a market
to support it
jurov: pete_dushenski: in
the hypothetical 15k world
ben_vulpes: far better
to be useful helping mod6
than
to waste
time like me on deadlang impls
that don't even work
jurov: pete_dushenski:
that calls for ugly all-terrain steam (cuz no uniquitous gasoline) contraption
ben_vulpes: i do not buy
this "they're all
turing complete, so what's
the aggro?" line.
mod6: that being said, i have
TONS of work
to do if anyone wants
to do something different
thats directly useful.
pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air
travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !
☟︎ mod6: i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation
the /blessing/ but if someone wants
to work on
that for
themselves or whatever, cool with me.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a
tiny group of people cover
the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
ben_vulpes: did we do
the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet?
jurov: let's skip straight
to cobol
mod6: in
that v_steps.pl file, you'll see
the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so
they can be repeatedly
tested.
mod6: which
to guruvan's delight, is also written in perl
mod6: in
the package
that includes
the cucumber
tests, you'll find a scenario with
tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with
the press flag" -- it
then will press out a
tree,
then do exactly what I saying above ^
mod6: i
think i can say
that i have automated
tests now
that even check
this.
mod6: basically checking
the mechanics
to ensure
that
the resulting output was
the same.
this gave me confidence
that my
toposort was functioning as it should.
mod6: you know, one
thing
that I did
to ensure
that my pressing of
the
tree was happening correctly was
to press out a
tree,
then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest`
to see what
the final hash of
the source file was,
then compare it
to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Luke seems
to be mocking
that ClassicCoin wants
to
take
the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:53:17; ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was
true
BingoBoingo: <mod6> for instance, in
the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as
they both come after
their respective antecedents. <<
This
threw me for a loop
the first
time.
jurov: lol do i see right? luke wants
to adopt monero approach?
ben_vulpes: i
think i understand what you're driving at
mod6: for instance, in
the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as
they both come after
their respective antecedents.
ben_vulpes: mod6: im still a bit unclear as
to what "precedence levels" refers
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> makes for low snr is what is does <<
The classic lulz are worth watching just because
the
trigger might get pulled leading
to
the other
triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our
Time (TM)(R)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "and
then you'll deploy all of said home routers
to ~all~ customers within 6 months"
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as
this is met. meaning
that certain
things come before other
things.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in
the *exact same*
tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: someone might figure out
that nothing's gotten any better since
then
ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in
the *exact same*
tree under all V's, as i understand it
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mod6: it doesn't have
to be
the ~exact~
tree mind you, just has
to have
the correct precedence levels
ben_vulpes: i have
to redo its press algo
to recurse up
the parents chain
ben_vulpes: last i checked did not produce
trees
that matched yours
mod6: ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how
to run it since im a lisptard.
ben_vulpes: because rEFInd does not work on
the ancient mbp and
the ready ways
to get rEFIt onto
the damned
thing is
to...install it from os x first.
ben_vulpes: hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained
to hear
that my openbsd adventures have led me
to download 10.6 and dd it onto a usb
guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from
the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle
mod6: well,
theres a bunch of
things
that are bad.. like a lot of
the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from
the libs... *shrug*
mod6: i never
thought perl 5 was bad, just v6.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you explain
the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got
that point
mod6: but separately,
the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready
to go, just wanna accomplish a few other
tasks first before i send it
to
the ML.
mod6: guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see
that 5.22 is going
to come out.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 <<
the other consideration is
that europe is chock full of bad copies of
the classical masters. and
they all suck, except
the few
that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned
to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone
that ever was a master painter learned his craft by
trying h
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's like reading
the
tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking
truck. how
the fuck could
the ammo churning,
tailgate partying,
truck racing subculture not buy
this
through
the roof is well beyond me. but
then again... i'll
take
the newton defense.
guruvan: I'm not
too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out
that for sure
ben_vulpes: of
the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways
ben_vulpes: seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in
the far flung outskirts
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but
the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on
the hard fork." << what kind of sense is
this supposed
to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j')
mod6: this way we could generate
the
topoligical graphs of vpatches like
this:
mod6: <+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but
the one
thing
that stuck out
there for us
to use was Graph::Easy
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim
the same
pete_dushenski: "Luke is not a
troll. He does
think outside
the box." << ya mkay
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 08:47:10; BingoBoingo: Muh
Triggerz
mod6: i gotta get
that new version published. but im
thinking
that before I do so, i wanna have a few other
things done
too.