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DerpUnion: and by attking, i dun mean ddos, i mean wiping
them clean off
their bitcoins
DerpUnion: are
there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch
to classic
☟︎ mircea_popescu: very valid place
to invest a life in quite respectable research.
mircea_popescu: jurov
that's not necessarily a bad
thing
to want, on its own.
thestringpuller: jurov: all crypto functions will inevitably become obsolete no?
thus at some point it will necesarily change.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see
the danger do you ? :D
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller
true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses.
jurov: for me
the mining problem stems from clinging
to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway
mircea_popescu: we also only hold hammers, and maybe
the hits can be modulated enough! shall we
try or shall we not.
jurov: von neumann or not, we're still bound
to
turing-like machines
that need
to be fed algorithms. and maybe
the algorithms can be mutated enough.
jurov: babbage and
turing and...
jurov: well, at least i can name
the problem
to ask perelman "want
to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and
they will each have distinct algorithm"
mircea_popescu: they go for
the whole nine years,
they're gonna make a clay divinity!
mircea_popescu: there's
this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but
think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content
to merely cut
themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone
mircea_popescu: haha wait, wait,
there's a "class of functions" in
the sky
that'll come and deliver you ?
jurov: yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions
that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly
ascii_shmoocon: also random difficulty has a strong chance of putting you on pluto with no return
ticket
mircea_popescu: jurov what you just described, my punishment algorithm implemented
to mining
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on
the part of
the okcupid sluts,
too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need.
jurov: if what were
the case?
mircea_popescu: jurov
think about it : IF
that were
the case,
then alf's fears about "whoever owns
the production owns you" would be grounded.
ascii_shmoocon: and I admit
that I wondered since showing up, for what does he need btc, can hawala all day
jurov: imo if mining can't be avoided, ideal mining algorithm would be one
that changes often, unpredictably and substantially
ascii_shmoocon: i can
think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo
transacts with
the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: you drastically overvalue
the liberty and importance of miners.
thestringpuller: none at all, but does serve as proof of
the existence of said matter.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: and
this is why KNC miner has huge classaction suit outstanding.
thestringpuller: instead of USG
this
time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough
to be in
the
triads.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: i
think
the problem stretches
to issue with building F-15 on own. re:
thread on USG cartel of fabrication.
mircea_popescu: it makes no sense
to sell anything useful
to
the horde of reddidiots.
ascii_shmoocon: i said from day 1, it makes no sense
to ~sell- miners.
thestringpuller: and
the cartel is run as a shady
Triad-wannabe
type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery.
thestringpuller: a lot of
the problem seems
to be due
to blatant cartelization
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon
that broasca despises racul. si o stiuca.
mircea_popescu: yes it would have been. whatever
the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon:
this wouldn't have been a problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
mircea_popescu: so's everyone in
the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp.,
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides
to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people"
ascii_shmoocon: the other
thing is
that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering
to
the fella with
the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is...
thestringpuller: i
thought ideally it would only fork
the miners off
the network.
thus in ideal world "nothing really changes"
thestringpuller: nuclear war always has fallout.
the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough
to get enemy
to see reason.
ascii_shmoocon: say mp or other decides
to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges???
mircea_popescu: "fucking a
ten dollar hooker in
the cunt is safer
than fucking her in
the ass".
thestringpuller: "An interesting non-technical objection is
that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted
the soft fork end up in
the main chain anyway,
this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority
to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice
to use a protocol with
this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin
to
treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not
too." << Uh huh.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: LOL so you can spoof facial recognition based on OpenCV. (Begins
to wonder how much facial spookware in airports is based on OpenCV stack).
ascii_shmoocon: the crackpot group
theory cipher
thing yesterday was lulzy
ascii_shmoocon: and just now
there was 'state malware'
talk given by a... political 'scientist'
ascii_shmoocon: lol i
think every
third bloke in
the chairs is nsa emissary
ascii_shmoocon: aha it was surprisingly nonlame.
turns out
that opencv is a piece-of-shitte, you can evolve bitmaps
that crash it.
mircea_popescu: "these people'd be a lot more interested if
they
tried cooking naked."
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know
the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report
that sounds a lot like
the nsa emissary's.
thestringpuller: punkman: direct access
to chips (wholesale and PCB fab) cheapens mining by 400%
mircea_popescu: schmucks better ponder it well before
they go running
their mouth about "supporting"
this or
that.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, stranding
the miners is an important reserve power.
adlai: fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether
to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space)
punkman: memory-hard or not, if you change
the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is
TSMC will still have more hardware
than you, whatever you decide
to use next.
mircea_popescu: i'm not particularly convinced
this would solve anything, also.
mircea_popescu: technically.
there isn't really a good solution
to
the problem in my estimation either.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement
that.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care
to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air
to channel?
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around
the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:18:12; pete_dushenski:
there are fighters and
there are lovers. jurov's
the latter.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care
to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air
to channel?
☟︎☟︎☟︎ phf: i'm planning on staying in console until i figure out how
to make base hardware behave
BingoBoingo: "We do not believe
the concept of fee market"