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mp_en_viaje: i dunno, sometimes i
think 2018 was spent doing a LOT of drugs, i can remember it like hippies can remember
the 60s
mp_en_viaje: well... actually it might not be it, it might be only reference
to
the it, but i am intellectualy exhausted by now
mp_en_viaje: there's a
trilema somewhere explaioning how positive feedback loops are
the only dangerous
thing in nature, but...
mp_en_viaje: much like any other drug addiction, by supressing
the wrong pain signals (which is what it set out
to do, guido van dorkum's idea was exactly
this, if coding weren't painful more people would -- yes, but BADLY) it produces positive feedback harmful loops.
mp_en_viaje: and it's not ~the language~, either.
there's nothing magically great about "how it handles conditioanls", "if($2 != day) is not god's own notation or anything LIKE
that. it's
that python breeds and fits upon and further breeds and further fits upon
the sort of
thought process
that'll produce
the sort of
thing
that fails.
mp_en_viaje: it keeps coming up, and it's always in
this context.
dorion_road: python primarily comes up due
to portage. Gales uses a shell script based package manager, so
the point about bash will get further practical consideration as
that gets explored.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno i support any particular action on
the foregoing basis. but i also ain't gonna pass it in silence no mo.
mp_en_viaje: this'd be
to my mind
the string holding pantsuit online
together : python, wikipedia & wediditreddit.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje makes sense,
thanks for laying it out.
mp_en_viaje: i am not proposing bash is good ; but i made a point of it in
that context because i believe it is in
this respect opposite. it has all
the ills naggum finds it, yes, but it does not have
that one
thing
that produces pete dushenskis out of otherwise promising young men.
mp_en_viaje: i don't
think it's him ; i
think it's
the damned python.
mp_en_viaje: but i do mean ~very~ bad. fractally bad, it even gives
them
the impression
they have been. without prejudice
to lobbes, look at his experience, not necessarily just since sept.
mp_en_viaje: no, python is a
tool built so as
to permit
the unready
to write very bad code.
dorion_road: python is
then not available
to meaningful examination because it has been exam
taking and pretending
to be ready (e.g. usg.mit now uses it instead of scheme), rather
than actually making itself ready for human use.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with
this argument of course is
that it can be applied quite well
to A LOT of
the
things we use ; most notably c++. but it's at
the core, i suspect, if unexpressed, of why nobody ever pushed for say c#.
mp_en_viaje: hence
the link relating it
to wikipedia recently
that now of course i can't find. basically what it does seems
to me in any and all particulars based upon
the forwarding of
the "group action" agenda of
the only evil in
this world ; much like
the republic's in all workings promoting itself python's in all its workings first supporting
the enemy.
mp_en_viaje: my objection is
that foremost and before being any other
thing, python is a
tool for
the wilfully stupid.
mp_en_viaje: this having progressed unchecked for lo
these many years,
the principal problem of
the republic is dealing with organized stupidity.
this is a lot like any other cleaning job, because yes
there's no difference between
the filth
that supports vermin infestations and
the "collective action"
that supports
the marauding idiots.
mp_en_viaje: they'd like
to be ready, see.
they just... aren't. and because people are perverse,
this
tends
to manifest rather as exam
taking
than actual improvement.
they don't become any ready-er,
they just become adept at pretending
they are.
mp_en_viaje: now
there are
three groups :
the ready,
the willing unready, and
the dumb unready. in more
traditional
terms
the middle class is denoted as organized stupidity.
mp_en_viaje: practically
this enacts another partition, nietzsche's will.
mp_en_viaje: now, people as a particular class of living
things are perverse (this is called "intelligence" in pantsuit gospels), meaning
they also have a recursion built in
there.
mp_en_viaje: the job of gnoseology,
the collected product of
thought, is
to enact partitions, and record
them. some of
these are more interesting
than others, as illustrated
through experience ; an examined life is exactly
this "following phenomena while aware of
the partitions list"
mp_en_viaje: ever heard / seen someone say "bring it" ? as in you know,
the challenge,
there's some kinda
threat an'
the response is... bring it
dorion_road: good question.
the problem of maintaining a hierarchy of indivdual agents.
mp_en_viaje: dorion, i wouldn't. let's use
the call-and-response format for
this. so, what would you say is
the problem
the republic's formed
to resolve ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:25:02 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's
the first
time for me, i never
thought before a lang is basically
the satan ; but it seems
to me anything derived off python's going
to be stupid, for
that reason.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:08:15 mp_en_viaje: if
trinque fails
to work within
the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything
that was
thereby lost is upon
trinque
to pay.
dorion_road: heh. I got
that, noting
the general principle.
mp_en_viaje: wasn't
talking about you
there, lol, but yeah.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:41 dorion_road: Right now my approach is
to draw from
the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be
taken from both, what do
they both lack
that
tmsr os requires.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:07:06 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 <<
to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined
to lend support
to
this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse
to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here
to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:11:06 mp_en_viaje: ha,
that's a point huh.
diana_coman: it is really because
that's
the start but
then it gets discussed and
the different values
talked about and so on; so yes, I for one would very much prefer
to have an article as ref.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose i should prolly write a proper article about
this, seems it's unhelpfully all over
the logs ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey
trinque, now
that
there's actually multiple functional castles
the
time's prolly come
to update
the deedbot voice model into awareness of
this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather
than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles
that ask for it / you come
to an understanding with
the lords
thereof, so
they can use
the voice model
there if
the
mp_en_viaje goes
to re-read also, by now it's bee na while
mp_en_viaje: iirc
that was discussed re flexibility for ~other~ chans, which is how
the 9 came about, "just don't rate people 9 if you don't want a l1/l2 in your chan"
diana_coman: if
that's
the case,
then
there is no problem indeed since yes,
they would still be able
to self-voice for sure; in my mind it was
that only your l1 can self-voice, hm.
diana_coman goes
to re-read
the new self-voice model, maybe missed something.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i
thought
the model was
that
those rated by my as 9 are on
the list of ratings deedbot looks at
to establish l2
mp_en_viaje: for
the other
thing,
the original reason
the
thing was set
to auto-devoice in 30 minutes was
to avoid
the burden of hostility upon
the devoicer, and
the situation of voice inflation, where randos have it just as good as actual people, like
thios
were athens or something.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ugh, what???
the new model is
that only
those rated by you with 9 can self-voice, no?
mp_en_viaje: so for one
thing, if you're not willing
to rate
them enough so
they can voice, why should
they idle here ?
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose
the !!up could be perhaps permanent ie until a !!down
diana_coman: they won't be able
to self-voice and
then what, someone has
to voice
them every hour or
they end up kicked
to one of
the other chans?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje:
the only potential
trouble I see with your proposed model is when
the new voice model is implemented since my pageboys will not be able
to hang around here at all anymore.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything;
tbh only
the other day I had a look at
the list of names and picked RubenSomsen
to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now
through
the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha; and designer overalls, lmao;
the exquisite sheep worming attiree.
mp_en_viaje: so specifically
trinque is
this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour
too short a
time ? other comments ?
mp_en_viaje: this'll prolly need management in
the sense
that i suspect
the banlist is limited, so after a few of
these it'd be stuck expiring
the oldest ban
to enact a new one, meaning it'll need a round buffer of
them.
mp_en_viaje: so what i'm
thinking is, what if deedbot set a ban on any nick it sees unvoiced for >1hr, setting
the forward channel alternatively #ossasepia and #trilema-hanbot on it ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in linear improvements : i'm
thinking of setting up #trilema
to forward
the useless / idle / etcetera
to
the feeder chans. apparently freenode has support for
this, in
that in setting a ban one can also specify a channel wherein
the banned
to be dumped.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 00:44:23 mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident
their plan as it stands is missing
the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and
this is
the congregation", but
that can be discovered in
time
jfw: But possible
that's because I've been in crazed orclands longer
mp_en_viaje: dat midwestern stock, apparently
they can live
through anything.
jfw: No derangement
that I was able
to detect.
mp_en_viaje: how derange did BingoBoingo end up, after years in
the crazed orclands btw ?
jfw: mp_en_viaje:
thanks for
those blog comments btw, looking forward
to a proper read + catching up on
the juicy looking log here in
the coming days. I see dorion_road's and my venture was discussed just above; I'll give him
the first word as I believe he's more up
to date here.
deedbot: jfw rated
trinque 2 << Knowledgeable on system administration, Lisp, Bitcoin. Develops & operates deedbot, holding its wallet keys. Writes occasionally at
trinque.org.
deedbot: jfw rated asciilifeform 2 << Stanislav Datskovskiy, loper-os.org, seeks
the Right
Thing in all matters even if it would
take
ten lifetimes. Has honored promises in commerce in my experience.
deedbot: jfw rated diana_coman 5 << ossasepia.com, long-time
Trilema scholar, develops Eulora, knowledgeable on computing, writing & other
topics; committed
to seeing
things for what
they are & solving
the right problems. My mentor & Master at Young Hands Club.
deedbot: jfw rated BingoBoingo 3 << Aaron Rogier: bingology.net, qntra.net, moved abroad
to start ISP, knowledgeable on diverse
topics, responsible custodian of computing equipment. Met in person Dec 2019.
deedbot: jfw rated mircea_popescu 5 << Father & overlord of
the Most Serene Republic. Reads ~everything worth
the mention and writes in abundance at
trilema.com.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, as it happens
there DOES exist exactly one jurisdiction where
they can move
to, after being betrayed by all
the
toy pretend-states.
mp_en_viaje: the actual important part is
that "the industry" is looking for recovery after
the whole "panama papers" etc circus.
trinque: most importantly
they're rolling in cash.
trinque: they're using shockingly primitive accounting
tooling, shockingly primitive processes for e.g. wire authorizations and all
the rest
trinque: at any rate, folks
that are handling money overseas for clients are obviously a
target.
trinque: see, I'm
the fucking misogynist over here!
mp_en_viaje: if want
the bitches
to express
themselves or not express
themselves, in
the end ? it's gotta be one, can't be both.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:24:08
trinque: nicolewhatever: and by
the way, repeating your master's opinion for him says very little. I heard him; he doesn't need you going "ayyyyyy", but good girl all
the same.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, it seems all very neoprotestant ("compile your own bible out of letters found around
the house!!) which my rather catholic description doesn't do justice
to. but it's just summary, i don't mean
to rule by misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: i guess
they explain
this when
they wake up.
trinque: I bet all
that's shockingly primitive
mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident
their plan as it stands is missing
the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and
this is
the congregation", but
that can be discovered in
time
trinque: where do
they keep
the records
though.
mp_en_viaje: anyway,
that's what
they seem
to be doing, "here's
the hardware, here's
the mental floss slash bible, here's
the daily prayers rules regulation and prayerbook", a complete package like
that.
mp_en_viaje: my understanding is
that
they're basically fixing
that : giving
the guy
the laptop's evidently not enough (i gave mine one when i left ro), it needs
to be supported culturally / with habits, mental and otherwise