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mod6: punkman: good question, not sure at all. can
try
to
take a peek once we get past
the 1st. i've got stuff stacked
to
the celing right now
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag mod6 if you wish
to consider a general problem : what is
the ~correct~
thing
to do for vtron when it encounters
two validly signed patches doing
the same
thing ?
ascii_butugychag: punkman: now
there is 1, from it flows contiguously into
the shivatron
mod6: ascii_butugychag: i'll
try
to give your new patches a shot
tonight.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 10:29:19; jurov: I know
that i should manage
the repository myself, but imo a version field would be good
to have so
that I can easily spot if someone posts revised version of
the same patch.
punkman: it was like having
two
tinyscheme genesises
ascii_butugychag: (there was ~never~ referencing in my
tinyscheme
thing! it began with a vtronically nailed-down copy of known vintage from my own hdd, and proceeds from
there.)
mircea_popescu: i'd rather stop people in
the street and ask
them
to make my women babies
than reference whatever package maintained by nowot rando.
mod6: back
to CompSci 101!
mod6: anyway, speaking of great
things (tm), shiva really was awesome
to see working lastnight. very impressive stuff. i just gotta learn scheme now hahah.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 10:02:07; punkman: so shiva patch wholly includes
the
tinyscheme genesis instead of referencing it?
thestringpuller: and coworkers make fun of me for using
terminals and lightweight
tools cause
they "ain't pretty"
the actual fuck.
this is exactly why being a web developer is like slow
torture.
mod6: That pie looked nice
tho!
mod6: I may have had
too much coffee...
mod6: tl;dr we need all of you! you are what make
the republic possible!
mod6: We've come a very long way, and we've still got some road ahead (we all know), but we can't have a republic with out
the sovereigns participants who wish
to make it.
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: ahahahaha
the one
that won't suspend-mode, ah
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: d00d I have
to upgrade
to el capitan
to scroll on
the mouse?!?!?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: notice how ~some~ programmers (india!) l00000ve repetitive crudwork.
they produce glorious unrolled 10,0001-iteration loops, etc.
mod6: And honestly, I really look forward
to working on
these projects every day, and with all of you. :]
mod6: ascii_butugychag much appreciates
the labours of mod6 << alf, you've put in a lot of effort
too, and we all appreciate
that very much.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: you should
tell
this
to
the leadership here who wants
to automate all
things.
ascii_butugychag: BUT
those 5 sec
the old crud cost me every 15 min. were ~flow-destroying~.
ascii_butugychag: yes, it could
take a whole hour
to set up whatever, and i might die bfore it saves me a whole hour
mod6: ok
the new script, having V outside of
the rotor dir seems
to be building just fine so far... will update again when its complete, or if fails.
mircea_popescu: actually
that's
the first
time someone brought a cogent, well
thought out objection
to
the classic "programmers wanna play and so ruin productivity spending moe
time on
tools
than
the
tools save"
thing
☟︎ mircea_popescu: wanna bet you spent more
time fucking around with
the auto
thereof
than it saved you ?
mod6: Things are moving really fast here sometimes, and
that can be hard
to keep up with, but it's part of
the deal.
mod6: I wouldn't
trade what we have here for anything. If I could work it out,
this is all I would do every day.
mod6: b-a has honest and knowledgeable people who care about
the innerworkings of
the
technology, on a low-level, as well as on a meta level.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 how would you rate working with b-a vs working with job people ? are we just as enervating ye
t? <<
this beats anything else I've ever encountered by a wide margin.
ascii_butugychag: you can specify a
tag file it will fill from when
tab(or your favourite other key)-completing.
mircea_popescu: how
the fuck is emacs going
to fill in with irc names.
mircea_popescu: me
types
three letters in editor, hits
tabs a few
times, is very confused when
the required fill-in doesn't occur.
mircea_popescu: if anyone recalls
that joke about how mathematician is
the only man who
tells mistress he's with wife,
tells wife he's with mistress, goes
to woods with pen and paper
to unwind...
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 how would you rate working with b-a vs working with job people ? are we just as enervating ye
t?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 alrighty, seems it's
teh consensus here. << ok lemme put
this
together, and will post in here for you guys
to review, and people
to
test.
mircea_popescu: no dawg, im not done wioth
the logs.
then reading
the #eulora logs which by now are even longer.
mod6: that's probably more acceptable
than
the following: ~/.wot by default (in
the script) or stopping
the script mid-processing
to require human action (action should be
taken prior
to execution)
ascii_butugychag: having relative wots inevitably leads
to keeping 10,001 copies of wot
mircea_popescu: i'm quickly building a reputation for a wrecker of
trb aren't i !
mod6: and I
think
this is what we want. So we can stick with
that, and probably not break anything -- i'll just move V & .wot outside of
the rotor dir.
mircea_popescu: did
the entire week long circuitous path start with me bitching /
trying
to improve on it ?
mod6: ok so lets keep in mind
that v99996 of V will only look for .wot in
the current working directory unless
told
to look elsewhere for it explicitly.
ascii_butugychag: if you use variants - specify
the variant each
time, like
the laws of man and god demand.
ascii_butugychag: and if you don't do variant wots, it can live
there permanently.
mircea_popescu: chiefly because I can aforehand know where i need
to put
the .wot and stick it in
there.
ascii_butugychag: i broke my head on
this for a while, and settled on '~/.wot by default, user-specified wot whenever you want' when i did vtron.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag well looky,
the problem
there was
that
the dir
tree wasn't curated well.
mircea_popescu: and
that error should read "please put .wot sigs in /blabla/derpherp/.wot"
mod6: and
that is not a one-button-push solution as you asked for.
mod6: that would be fine, but
then we're in
the situation where every single
time
that someone runs it for
the first
time,
the script will fail with an error.
mircea_popescu: put
the
test sufficiently high up in
the program flow you won't have bad
things happen.
mircea_popescu: so how about
the script expects
to see .wot in a relative path
to
the project, and if it doesn't it aborts with an error.
mircea_popescu: mod6
the only concern with "Separate but equal .wot dir root" is
that you will end up in a fucking mess of /try1/.wot /tryn/.wot and mix and match
them with actual builds
takingpart in another place and sooner or later you'll cross
them up, or your eyes will, and
the net result will be
that you run a different security protocol
than you intended, on occasion,
mod6: <+ascii_butugychag> i still don't get why a vtron should use
the net at all << I'm open
to well defined explicit ideas here.
mod6: so I
think
that could work actually.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag why not ? and stop interrupting
the guy!
mod6: if we have V source and .wot adjacent
to rotor dir,
then we could press like
the following:
mod6: so continuing with my
thought here..
mod6: this was never really meant
to be "the
thing" just was initially meant for
testing. somehow became "the way"
mod6: eh. bad
things
tend
to happen when
this script is run more
than once.
mircea_popescu: the way i see
this is, script
tries " mkdir -p rotor/.wot " , if it succeeds it says "wot dir created, populate and re-run please" ; if it fails it proceeds with build.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> why can't it be populated by hand ? << how can you populate by hand while
the script is running?
mod6: the only actual alternative here is
to create .wot adjacent
to rotor directory, along with
the V source
mod6: ok. so if we create a .wot in /.../rotor/ (so, rotor/.wot),
then it can not be populated by hand...
ascii_butugychag: <+mircea_popescu> for one
thing, you might wish
to run v with diff wotsets. << YES! ~somebody~ GETs it
mod6: then it moves into
these directories
to continue all of
the gyrations
that need
to happen
to build everything
mod6: so
the script as it currently exists, creates
these directories:
mod6: ok so lets
talk
this
through a bit.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 07:42:24; polarbeard: I've
timestamped and categorized
trb log lines, as well as improved
the messages and removed (seeming never activated) destructive log rotation, here is
the signed patch:
https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/961aa315c69b89d2e613 in case somebody with a decent reputation wants
to review it so I can submit it
to
the ml