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mircea_popescu: istory is a byword for dead and buried, which
ties into why he will never be able
to write a book.
mircea_popescu: "I could probably write a book about
the depth and complexity of events of
the past year,
the lessons I've learned and
the personalities I've dealth with. However, at
this point it's all history, and I've always been more interested in planning
the future
than dwelling
too much on
the past." << no, he couldn';t write a book. not anymore
than boshiman could build a city on all
the land he walks. moreover, orc imagines h
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 20:57:51;
thestringpuller: aha. so pretty much ~only~ for labratory use as stated.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:
that's probably still another 1.5 years off. you're usually 3 years ahead of
the curve, neh ?
guruvan: "Twenty megabytes downloaded plus
twenty megabytes uploaded every
ten minutes is about 170 gigabytes bandwidth usage per month " << gavin doesn't want well connected nodes I see
ben_vulpes: of particularly amusing note is
that
their payment-accepting system is broken.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski and missing
the "as mp said back in january 2015" bit, of course.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 18:51:25; shinohai: "This also means
that Gavins assumptions/estimates regarding
the usage for 20 MB blocks unfortunately were very wrong:"
https://redd.it/440cq6 mircea_popescu: funny, i was just referencing RealTime Worlds
the other day.
pete_dushenski: y still can't buy 10% of asciilifeform's
time nor 10% of mod6's. fancy
that :)
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "Blockstream, a
tech startup
that employs several core developers of
the bitcoin protocol, has raised $55 million in venture capital
to develop its sidechain
technology and expand its global operations." [...] "Horizons Ventures, AXA Strategic Ventures and Digital Garage led
the Series A funding round, which brings
the startup's
total venture funding
to $76 million
to date." << all
this paper (and cardamon smell) and
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not groking but i realized
that i need
to
take a break and eat instead of derping on a computer any longer, so i'll get back
to you on
that one
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 20:46:53; ascii_butugychag:
that is, currently, a shiva runtime is destroyed on hangup
mircea_popescu: phf and i don't need
to see anything re genesis etc. just about
the final destination.
mircea_popescu: meaning
that all
those contributed and
the press depends on either a set made out of alf or a set made out of mod6
mircea_popescu: but how i'd expect
this
to look is C (asciilifeform mircea_popescu mod6
trinque) D (asciilifeform), (mod6)
phf: and what's
the work?
mircea_popescu: phf well it's ok-ish in
the sense
that i have all
the data
to
try and do
the work by my own eyes.
phf: the set of people necessary
to produce current set? or i possibly misunderstood
the
thread
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 20:44:23; BingoBoingo: Of all
the #b-a projects, deedbot's probably up
there for frustration induced
phf: signers for
the whole press, vs. signers for individual vpatches
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 20:40:10; danielpbarron:
thestringpuller, i got into it with a fairly popular girly about "nice guys" and sexual dominance or something;
turns out i
think we were agreeing with eachother without realizing it
pete_dushenski: bitcoin's
too complicated,
too barbed,
too
thorny,
too messy, and
too
time-consuming for sortakindausers.
this is obviously an asset in a great many ways, but it can still be frustrating for persistent folks. not
that
this is news
to everyone beating prb into
trb....
pete_dushenski: so an idiot is me and i feel sorry for anyone who
tries
to do bitcoin casually because
there's no goddam way.
pete_dushenski: but
that's what you get for sucking mike hearn's dong and expecting a cream soda
to come gushing out.
pete_dushenski: even after reviewing 'multibit' error logs, it was in no way clear
to me how or why
this should even be possible.
pete_dushenski: so if it sounds shitty
to have a node blackholed, imagine having a ~privkey~ blackholed.
pete_dushenski: the alternative (atm) is a ~fixed~ set of peers determined at random on start-up, as seen in 'multibit', which i can
tell you from first hand experience
this week has not been broadcasting select
transactions from select keys. at all. and
this is in no way fixable.
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assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 17:01:32; ascii_butugychag:
these
things spend a good chunk of
their
time not node-in !1111
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 17:01:22; ascii_butugychag: does nobody but me actually watch
their
trb logs ?
pete_dushenski: for a '-connect' private node ? probably, but every single '-addnode' public node, save asciilifeform's majick baltic node, seems
to variously lag before restarting, at least as far as i can follow from bitnodes.io
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the bot
that can't stay up..
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 13:20:51; asciilifeform: 5x19x141x248.static-customer.iz.ertelecom.ru << in mircea_popescu's
trb fleet ?
mircea_popescu: and for
the record,
the name for
the opposite attitude used here is "power ranger". because
totally.
topynate: ah, i see.
the project in
toto
mircea_popescu: no i mean, #bitcoin-assets etc.
trying
to understand how it works, fixing
the code etc.
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the log, and marvel of marvels, he joined!
mircea_popescu: an argument persuasive enough
that
the whole foundation and
the most serene republic is hard at work doing just
that.
mircea_popescu: similarly
to how my argument is
that rather
than "improving" bitcoin,
that
time'd be better spent fixing
the codebase as it is.
topynate: nice koan. so istm your point is
that
the effort on fiddling with
the parameters would be better spent on understanding why it works in
the first place?
mircea_popescu: we so far fired a single bullet out of a gun we don't even know who
the fuck made. seems a lot of unwarranted cockyness all around for
this little knowledge.
mircea_popescu: this IS of course
true, provided
the child manages
to alter
the powder charge
too, so
the bullet's speed and its angle are always in
the right ratio.
mircea_popescu: he
then
thinks
to himself : "i could shoot as high or as low as i want, and
the bullet wouldstill hit
the apple, because i'm
that special, and because
that's what man made muskets for and how bullets work etc".
mircea_popescu: now
this child sees an apple in
the
tree, shoots at it and hits.
mircea_popescu: topynate quite. consider, just for
the sake of conversation,
the situation of a child who rfound his father's musket.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 20:24:49; danielpbarron: let me see if i can make one of
those funny metaphores out of
this: "that's like a cock
that can get you pregnant, but you can't have sex with it"
topynate: if it really is a universal constant,
then
there are a lot of wasted words on
the block size limit, including my own - anyone
trying
to abrogate it will just fall flat on his face
mircea_popescu: moreover, whether it does or might isn't
the point.
the point is, can you prove it doesn't have such nature ? because unless you can, speaking of it as a quota is iffy.
mircea_popescu: topynate well, consider
that we can alter
the value of h by altering
the units of measurement. suppose all alteration of
the 1mb block limit reduces
to similarly a mere change in
the units of measurement.
topynate: that would be remarkable; i can see
the 1mb size being such a strong convention
that no-one would have any expectation of successfully altering it, but unsure how it could have a universal nature like
that of h
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 20:22:52; ascii_butugychag: felipelalli: you say
this as if you had no choice ?
mircea_popescu: in
this sense
the argument can be brought
that while
the early block limit as implemented by miners (using 60% of
the 1mb blocks) WAS a quota,
the actual 1mb block size is not a quota at all,
topynate: yes. so long as it's a convention with
teeth. e.g. opec's oil production quota used
to be a real quota because enforcible, now it isn't
topynate: ah. no, i don't
think you can stretch it
that far.
that would be like saying
the
total quantity of oil in
the ground was a quota on oil production.
mircea_popescu: understand
that immutable systems are VERY dangerous in principle. your world is mutable.
mircea_popescu: besides,
the same selective memory
thing
that was deliberately put into deedbot works here as well. some dead chains will be forgotten before others.
punkman: also could be valuable
to see how B started out and
then fixed, without having
to diff
the various versions of B patch
mircea_popescu: topynate now let's
thrash
this out. can you define "quota" ?
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terrible
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 112F353F5A3EEEBE3B0E824A36F13568F209C5B0.
This may
take a few moments.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 18:52:30; phf: so
there's
two sig's
that are not sha512. genesis.vpatch.trinque.sig is sha256 and polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch.polarbeard.sig is sha1
mircea_popescu: regrind,
to be perfectly clear, is
the act of making a
tree out of patches instead of keeping
them linear.
this is a known efficiency-of-search
trope, and i shouldn't have
to explain how distributing
the patches out saves work when i'm pressing 3 years later and want
to read
the whole string of patches from genesis.
topynate: hello all.
thanks mircea_popescu
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 18:05:59; ascii_butugychag:
they smack of pious fraud, 'this was always perfect, born of
the gods'
mircea_popescu: "oh boo hoo, i am
too important and gmaxwell
to fucking fix
things, here's my useless code
that everyone's going
to be stuck with forever"
mod6: put
this in
the cryptonomicon ^