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mircea_popescu: phf aha something like that. i suppose that's really it, move alt to shift or caps or something. tho really caps lock is kinda too high, crosses the fingers.
phf: actually i think original tom knight keyboard puts control and meta under pinky by spacing things out
maqp: I won't have to disconnect since it's running on uni server's screen. But you get more assurance on my future bitcoin account signed with my PGP key https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x085ADF061C2B20CD
mircea_popescu: i keep the pinky on ctrl. which is why making it further in would be inconvenient for me.
phf: it sort of relies on the idea that control is easier to chord with. all the control combos are basic text manipulation stuff, so when i'm emacsing i chord with the thumb opposite of key, i.e. c-a is left pinky a, right thumb control
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a 1 BTC with your name on it here. if you post an address in this session you got it. if you disconnect before you registered a sig with assbot, you won't be able to get it cuz i won't know it's you.
mircea_popescu: maqp i suppose you could look into TRB. get yourself V and make your own secure node.
maqp: i.e. I'll have to look into secure deployment when generating one.
maqp: Maybe. Provided that there are no obligations to where my project should be heading towards. I could use a cup of coffee, but it'll take some time to learn how to secure the account and endpoint
mircea_popescu: phf why the hell woulc you switch ctrl and alt around o.O
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 18:49:44; mircea_popescu: "In 2006, he started the CAPSoff campaign to reform the keyboard, starting with the removal of the Caps Lock key. He described this campaign as an example of an online campaign conducted entirely using free services like Wikidot and Google groups. Some new keyboards are starting to drop the Caps Lock key. In September 2006, he launched the "Million Dollar Keyboard" competition for the best keyboard d
phf: ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399083 << i've remapped it to cntrl for decade+, like other sane folk << you know that's a filthy unixism and is going to overwork your already qwerty abused left hand even further? lispm puts control on both sides of spacebar, followed by alt/meta, follwed by other stuff.. ☝︎
maqp: yeah, sure. I haven't had the need for it. At least yet.
maqp: I see. The problem with GPG however is the lack of deniability. I'd rather keep things off the record <:
mircea_popescu: autosigning things is poorly regarded here.
mircea_popescu: the other case is signed documents, there's a bot that keeps a notary service.
mircea_popescu: one case is ratings, which is how that wot is made. i go !rate x y
mircea_popescu: nah, but you can order specific things be entered into the record by signing them
maqp: So are you running something that signs all your IRC messages or what are we talking about?
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user punkman: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 13 via 13 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=punkman | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/punkman/
mircea_popescu: oh, there's plenty of authenticity. like so :
maqp: Well, since this is a public chat room with no secrecy/authenticity, I don't really see the need at the moment
maqp: I haven't had the time to update the two other versions
mircea_popescu: also, it's a good idea to register your pgp key with assbot. that way you create an identity in the wot we can attach to.
assbot: GitHub - maqp/tfc-nacl: Tinfoil Chat (NaCl) ... ( http://bit.ly/20Px1xm )
maqp: thanks. I wanted to recommend you guys take a look at the TFC-NaCl that's fresh out of oven and has better design compared to OTP/CEV versions
mircea_popescu: you ever gave any thought to making some sort of marketable item out of that ?
mircea_popescu: ^that's the discussion in the log.
mircea_popescu: !s tinfoil chat
mircea_popescu: you're the guy with the open source otp / airgapped thing are you ?
mircea_popescu: o hey there.
maqp: Hey. Came to say hi after someone requested
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 18:49:44; mircea_popescu: "In 2006, he started the CAPSoff campaign to reform the keyboard, starting with the removal of the Caps Lock key. He described this campaign as an example of an online campaign conducted entirely using free services like Wikidot and Google groups. Some new keyboards are starting to drop the Caps Lock key. In September 2006, he launched the "Million Dollar Keyboard" competition for the best keyboard d
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399083 << i've remapped it to cntrl for decade+, like other sane folk ☝︎
punkman: he drove all the important folks away from 0mq too
mircea_popescu: tomes could be written on the particulars of an overcompensating inferiority complex that seeks to remedy internal tension through far reaching "reforms" of the outer world. i'm too lazy. tomes could similarly be written about tardspedia, but i've done all of that i could be bothered to. so let's forget they both ever existed and move on.
mircea_popescu: th the Caps Lock key. It was funded by donations from the campaign's supporters and eventually raised €194.91." << this is a good summary of the man's contributions. they evaluate to < 200 euro + a wikipedia paragraph.
mircea_popescu: "In 2006, he started the CAPSoff campaign to reform the keyboard, starting with the removal of the Caps Lock key. He described this campaign as an example of an online campaign conducted entirely using free services like Wikidot and Google groups. Some new keyboards are starting to drop the Caps Lock key. In September 2006, he launched the "Million Dollar Keyboard" competition for the best keyboard design to do away wi ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: punkman Pieter Hintjens is imo gunk, the epitome of the plowing fly.
mircea_popescu: by no means the end of the world. won't even buy you a walk's worth of county road.
mats: good to know.
mats: i wonder what it cost to spin up the 20% diff increase
mircea_popescu: grats on the millenium!
BingoBoingo: And Qntra is in hour 6 or seven near the top of /r/bitcoin without getting blackholed down yet https://archive.is/NE4qu
mircea_popescu: so basically dick tracy in space
mircea_popescu: oh oh that i see.
punkman: dark city was fun, I think I actually saw it in a cinema
deedbot-: [Qntra] Tribulations Of Nordic System Affecting Universities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tribulations-of-nordic-system-affecting-universities/
punkman: well I couldn't really give you a good definition of "film-noir", but there's a cynical private-dick type guy, searching for a girl that disappeared mysteriously
punkman: the film-noir aspects of the series?
mircea_popescu: but... what does this mean!
ascii_rear: what, phf is the only user without warez copy?
phf: can't, all the books are in storage, so i have to talk out of my ass
ascii_rear: phf : open your cltl2, it sure as hell is there
phf: loop's source is not in cltl2, but the canonical implementation, MIT LOOP, is available in cmu archive https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/iter/loop/mit/0.html
mircea_popescu: rather than tor
punkman: the otp implementation is possibly decent though
mircea_popescu: no but he has a point : if you're going to throw up might as well because "pidgin"
punkman: also uses dbus to talk to pidgin
punkman: ascii_rear: can easily be adapted to anything that takes serial protocol
mircea_popescu: punkman truth.
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear in general, but mind the peculiar way he is using it. merely there to hide metadata from the people who don't have it anyway
punkman: relevant quote in something I was just reading: "History is not the study of origins; rather it is the analysis of all the mediations by which the past was turned into our present."
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear the backport works right now, for trinque's use for instance. shivatronic, tomorrow.
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398951 << tor?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: we're stuck discussing it with them one at a time. like education.
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear> most civilians i've introduced to vtronics had problems with, initially, this << the problem here is that the only reason why is not obvious is because of issues in the reader's head, and a general treatise to address all possible personal issues can not really be made.
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398974 << nothing against this, but was hoping folks would make all new rpc calls shivatronic... ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 09:35:57; adlai: punkman: the problem is that http://l1sp.org/cl/loop is not "lisp", in the sense of "inspect the function to read its documentation string", but rather "ANSI Common Lisp", in the sense of http://l1sp.org/cl/6.1.1
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398850 << 'loop' is a macro, you can read the source in steele's cltl2 ☝︎
ascii_rear: most civilians i've introduced to vtronics had problems with, initially, this
ascii_rear: ben_vulpes: good 'v' summary - but i'm still waiting for somebody to crap out a treatise re: the philosophical 'why' of it ☟︎
phf: still doing things with public output (e.g. guy steele, richard gabriel, ...)
phf: ben_vulpes: man is anyone from X3J13 still alive at this point? << probably better question, who has died, because the majority of the people form the committee are still alive. http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/cl/dpANS3/chap-0-edit-history.tex has an almost complete list of 104 ("These are attendees from minutes back through 3/88"), of those i recognize about 40, of those ~~10 i've been in touch with in the past year and another ~~10 are
hdbuck: hello there
mircea_popescu: "I'll leave the bombast and politics to those typically responsible for such." << ha!
mircea_popescu: "Stan's program makes excellent and judicious use of global state, but I am nowhere near disciplined enough to do the same to good effect" << a simple trick [expert programmers hate] to achieve this is you know you can map state on paper for a while until it's learned.
mircea_popescu: funny application of the entire symbols vs words debate, incidentally. was it deliberate ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Stan delivers a beautifully terse toposort implementation here. He leverages language features in both data structure and control flow, and the resulting code is terse and readable." << too much terse!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "Mirror of antecedents, returns patches that depend on it's argument." << its.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Foundation Co-Chair Publishes Introduction To V Provenance System - http://qntra.net/2016/02/foundation-co-chair-publishes-introduction-to-v-provenance-system/
phf: as far as what it does i hope formatting in the paste above makes it more readable. for each line that starts with --- or +++ awk extract the filename and runs shasum on the file, then prints the new diff line with shasum included. for other files it just outputs whatever's there. so it's a filter that transforms mentions of diff'ed files into diffed files + checksum
phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398750 << http://paste.lisp.org/display/306741 i thought i posted this before, but there are two fixes required on mac os x, sha512sum needs to be replaced with shasum -a 512 (and on openbsd with sha512). since awk can't find the command, it always goes for false. second fix is that you need to explicitly close the external checksum command, because bsd awk doesn't. instead it keeps all ☝︎
phf: polarbeard: hey, do you mind linking to your pgp key
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398901 << i have nfi how they figure that the LANGUAGE is going to protect you from the hardware. what can it do ? say to any misbehaving items sharing its heap that "oh no you don't, this here is extra special good stuff!" ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu braces himself for a bunch of people doing riding shots of themselves next.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 11:19:28; ben_vulpes: https://archive.is/zfBPO << oh so that's what happened to c4
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398880 << ha, they actually listen slightly more! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: guy sounds like a competent lawyer. (and yes, contrary to the view commonly held by people who have no idea, there exists such a thing as competent lawyers, it's an intellectual field like any other and just as capable to contain "lovely gems and brilliant coups" as the field of mel is.)
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2016 09:35:57; adlai: punkman: the problem is that http://l1sp.org/cl/loop is not "lisp", in the sense of "inspect the function to read its documentation string", but rather "ANSI Common Lisp", in the sense of http://l1sp.org/cl/6.1.1
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398850 << i like this cogent version of adlai better than any other i've to date perceived! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "In TFC, Alice enters her message into Tx.py running on her Transmitter Module (TxM), a TCB separated from network. Tx.py encrypts the message and signs the ciphertext. TxM then relays the packet to Network Handler (NH) through RS-232 interface and a data diode."
mircea_popescu: did you know sciencehatesyou actually abbreviates to "shy" ? neither did i! but apparently it's what it stands for!
assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2eQRJ )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#comment-116464 << in other news, longstanding reddit-based admirer/landwhale finally broke the wall!
copypaste: people who have no say in anything thinking they matter
mircea_popescu: "I worry that support for classic has become rather wishy-washy (like with everything else in bitcoin currently). Miners need to get serious right now, no more messing around." hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: "It is decision time guys and right now the number of nodes is what is most important, perhaps, even decisive." << o hey, it trickled down ?
mircea_popescu: you'd think it's all made in hollywood, going on the tiresome superficiality.
mircea_popescu: this is not a bad idea, is it! imagine if all conversation between dudes was either absent (such as is traditionally in westerns and other tough-man stuff in the style) or otherwise entirely about "booze bitches blunts" as in the usual dudefare.