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mircea_popescu: no, but it would be if you're looking at a tree
mircea_popescu: im not sure what his idea of level was, prolly not too strictly defined.
asciilifeform: but this is not what level normally means when looking at a DAG.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in that case yes.
asciilifeform: likewise, they must not attempt to transform X' and disparate X'' into a Y
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my idea of "level" was "all patches taking a certain hash as input"
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 14:57:13; mircea_popescu: PeterL> or am I totally confused? << a patch can only be safely applied to its antecedent. two patches at the same level CAN NOT be both applied by definition.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400409 << 'levels' have no useful meaning here. any two patches that don't take a file with hash H and try to transform it into two disparage H' and H'', can be pressed together. ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'thou shalt not rely on the splinters on the chair legs being just-so'
mircea_popescu: well the feature isn't interesting in itself, other than for this discussion.
mircea_popescu: and if you want everyone to change his, you are basically building on promise.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nothing at all. this feature isn't even interesting.
mircea_popescu: that is not hte protocol, that is the spec of one implemen tation among many
asciilifeform: where i wrote the routine, which sorts by ascii and then by flow.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: this might be worth paying to see, drunk or no: https://i.imgur.com/r3xs9aY.jpg
mircea_popescu: i don't see where this is in the protocol ?
mircea_popescu: this nailing down... stick to nailing the mechanical gfs. reality has no holes.
mircea_popescu: it'll just lie to you.
mircea_popescu: why should a tool become a means by which you may pretend to enact determinism out of absent such ?
asciilifeform: the notion is that a tool ought to behave maximally predictably.
mircea_popescu: the notion itself, of the basis you propose, seems to me problematic.
mircea_popescu: i don't want anything, whatsoever. and i still don;t care what the effects would be.
mircea_popescu: so you be deterministic too.
asciilifeform: hows that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is nonsense. by that rule you should hang.
PeterL: this morning we had a bit of snow, I slid about 10 yards past the entrance to work, antilock brakes kicked in, had to shift to reverse and go back to turn into parking lot
BingoBoingo: If alarm was raised in time those drivers would have normally stayed home, but because they were not explicitly told road is slick all suffer
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yes. Very little snow, but enough to cull weakest drivers.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: aha. so even there you'll see cars in ditches with people telling cops "i dunno what happened, i just slippped and ended up in here"
asciilifeform: other than archaeologists.
asciilifeform: it is relevant to nobody anywhere.
asciilifeform: but imho linking to the ancient 0.5.3 by default is lunacy.
mod6: to asciilifeform's point tho, i'm not too sure what even exists in the lxr thing, and if is congruent with what's in the V mirror
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because anything that can be deterministic, should be.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I'd expect midwesterners to know how to drive in snow belt weather... Here we get 2 inches, the roads freeze and everyone freaks out like its The Walking Dead or some shit.
mircea_popescu: like it or not, part of us, like the iliterate mother part of napoleon.
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 14:17:35; ben_vulpes: PeterL: the list of patches gets alphasorted before toposorting in all implementations i've seen to date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, it is the source of where it starts.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Roads here are clusterfuck because no one could anticipate 2nd round of snow coming this morning
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> can anyone with thebitcoin.foundation privileges plox redirect http://thebitcoin.foundation/src to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ thankee << yup, np. will resolve later today.
shinohai: I have snow here as well, just strong flurries nothing to write home about.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a good chunk of the weight of all of these is 1) battery 2) cpu heat pipes -- for all of which, you can thank idiot intel/x86.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is it blizzarding like dairy queen up there
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 14:02:49; mircea_popescu: can anyone with thebitcoin.foundation privileges plox redirect http://thebitcoin.foundation/src to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ thankee
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400348 << this goes to the ancient turd, still has, e.g., irc in it!!111111 ☝︎☟︎
trinque: that thinkpad is dead.
ben_vulpes: and not worry about the delicate internals
ben_vulpes: if it's made of METAL i want to HIT PEOPLE WITH IT
ben_vulpes: i am a barbarian though and it must be my fault somehow for expecting my tools to be robust
ben_vulpes: leading edge just torso-ward of the hands starts chipping after some time
asciilifeform has an original 'air' that is still pristine
ben_vulpes: pretty standard decomposition pattern i think now
ben_vulpes: it has *chips* out of it asciilifeform, thank you for asking.
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6: new trb is at height 284171 << good deal, thanks for reporting :]
ben_vulpes: i hate this thread
mircea_popescu: and this matters in the sense that ximenez of spain really was interested in whether the witch had or hadn't orgasmed with the devil.
asciilifeform: in the end, everybody gets both
asciilifeform: just observing that neither i nor the other million chumps are enthusiastic coprophagics, we were simply given a menu of shit and broken glass, and picked shit
mircea_popescu: aha. there are pockets like that yeah
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes you know for everyone from europe public school = best school. private school is where people with money send their retarded offspring to keep up the pretense. <- +1 to that; I might add the only exception to this rule I found in northern Italy where "private" meant in fact province (autonomous, German-speaking-and-doing province) funded
mircea_popescu: the discussion is whether the cause is problematic or not.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about the effects!
mircea_popescu: "shitting i nthe soup is not a problem, not all the floating turds are mine!"
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 13:55:09; mircea_popescu: it's all fine and dandy, makes up the very characteristic weird we've come to love under the label alf, but do not expect it's a consideration (or even meaningful) for anyone else.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400329 << l0l, mircea_popescu must think that my lunch money alone keeps crapple alive ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> doubt i'll get to it today tho << "there's all this delicious administrative shit to fuck around with early, who has time for codings!!!"
shinohai: mod6: new trb is at height 284171
mod6: anyway, will re-walk through this all again tonight, etc. then will sign and send to ML.
ben_vulpes: doubt i'll get to it today tho
fluffypony: shinohai: hah hah, me too
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea, my P4 that's overclocked has had the best performance in bootstrapping.
mod6: ben_vulpes: here's a peek at the squshed beta 1 & beta 2 vpatches - unless something changes between now and tonight, i'll be sending this one to the ML. All you need to do to apply is get V [v99996], copy `v.pl' to `v.pl.v99996`, then place this patch in the same dir and do: `patch -p0 < V_v99995_beta2.vpatch` and give it a go
shinohai: I used to get pm's from Vexual EVRY GODDAMNED SATURDAY
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Just wait for vexual to hit your pm's
shinohai: Is there an official court jester post?
assbot: You rated user phf on 24-Jun-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Fixed our boxen!.
thestringpuller: trinque: I think you're right about the whole SSD thing. I'm going to resync on my giga-box for more tests, but it seems bootstrapping performance is increased more by adding SSD than adding more CPU's (unless you're adding like 20 cores to the thing but even then)
phf: hehe, my +v workhorse rating, ty ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wasn't a matter of [person who was once branded a lord] [can have seat back for asking]. it was a matter of [person who was born with the mettle and greatness of being a lord] [can have a seat whether they had one or never did just by basically existing in their grandiose state].
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i was thinking about a deadbot- !
assbot: You rated user phf on 16-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: lisper..
mircea_popescu: PeterL no such thing! they can self-apply that, easy enough to verify.
ben_vulpes tries to reconcile 'lord can have seat back for asking' with the booting of fluffypony and nubbins`
punkman: opinions: +1 to both additions. would be nice to see artifexd return. fluffy and nubbins can keep their lordships unless they wish to abdicate.
mod6: i updated alot of the automate tests, and added a number of them, to ensure that i didn't regress anywhere. so far, seems good.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how good education ~always~ comes down to a woman with a whip.
phf: but the school was already selective, was ran by a strong Georgian woman. if you didn't perform would get a visit with the principle. "your child will have a very hard time next year. a ~very~ hard time. we advise you move schools immediately". i know because my parents got the talk once or twice
mod6: shipping? it'll just be a whole bundle once we do a bit of testing -- but tonights patch will be a squashed patch of the one from last week, and the additional changes here.
shinohai: thx phf and congrats to all who have made the Lord's list.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman actually the way it played out was imo the best possible outcome.
diana_coman: aha, the 8 class thing would've been a great thing though
mircea_popescu: AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME ANY DIFFERENT!
mircea_popescu is vaguely envious of phf's adolescentine paradise. i expect they were all lanky slav coughars with uncharacteristically large tits for that type, and spent a lot of time doing stuff in the nude
mod6: if/when you can get the new patch applied, give it a try and let me know. thx.
phf: there was a slightly different ratio in the B class, which was everyone who didn't make the A class.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> press a patch without hashes in the headers << i've actually got that one covered in the patch im about to put out there tonight.
mircea_popescu: which you know... who was going to complain about it.
mircea_popescu: and so the highschool admitted 17 more people into it, off the end of the list.
diana_coman: after which they proceeded to bash us that "you will end up washing the floors in supermarkets"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the way this worked was, "gpa over X", which meant 8 people out of the region. then everyone went into the normal-great classes. but THEN it came word from the miniostry that they won't run a class for 8 people