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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be clear, i'm discussing the 'turtle' paper
asciilifeform: but interesting nonetheless, if i were hitler i would order 10,001 'provably np-hard' ciphers to be created.
mircea_popescu: i'd almost be mildly insulted, if it weren't for the fact that my fucking spam filter identified it correctly on the first pass.
mircea_popescu: smells to me like long dead bait job some 3rd line derp is trying to spring back to life on us, but hery.
asciilifeform: and wtf is with the character encoding in that pdf.
mircea_popescu: well this item is from mid 90s, sat buried for the interval.
asciilifeform: it has been a very long time since i saw this.
asciilifeform: this is traditional, archaic nsa term for... key
asciilifeform: interestingly, blaze uses the term 'cryptovariable' in his code ☟︎
mircea_popescu: are the brick and mortar ethereum things in yet ?
mircea_popescu: btw, how's the "ethereum ecosystem" doing these days ? all the shit they were going to launch months ago... just around the corner!
asciilifeform: but there is 1 alleged proof.
asciilifeform: if there were 1,001 alleged proofs, i'd throw out this one perhaps, because annoying
asciilifeform: anyway i don't give a fuck what he said, i want to know if the proof actually proves anything of interest.
mircea_popescu: when people go all scholarly and shit on me, and start with the "We show" bullcrap i fucking expect them to use the words they mean to use.
mircea_popescu: what i wish to know is how did he establish his ought.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "can rarely be" and "never is". they do not speak of the same world.
asciilifeform: and it had to be by looking at ancient sci.crypt crud
asciilifeform: anyway, took me most of a week to dredge this up,
mircea_popescu: absolute paydirt. WHY "can rarely be". who told you ? etc.
mircea_popescu: studied hard problems and so are frequently designed specifically to resist known cryptanalytic"
mircea_popescu: large integers. Modern symmetrickey ciphers, on the other hand, can rarely be reduced to widely­
mircea_popescu: studied problem that is believed to be difficult, such as factoring or finding discrete logarithms of
mircea_popescu: "Most modern publickey ciphers are designed to reduce or at least relate closely to some long­
mircea_popescu: http://www.osti.gov/eprints/topicpages/documents/record/678/3823036.html << if this is to be believed it was introduced by a dude named blaze at upenn, and it's a feistel derivative.
mircea_popescu: minzie_ iirc adlai was peddling in that water.
minzie_: want to trade in exchanges
mircea_popescu: minzie_ can you be specific ? what are you trying to do ?
minzie_: anyone know some good bitcoin trading software??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. was looking into this.
mircea_popescu: PeterL basically the us' main export product.
PeterL: isn't it great when people take one word with a definite meaning and slap it onto something completely unrelated?
mircea_popescu: ah ok then :D
PeterL: nah mag sulphate got demoted from the name, it's fine to use
mircea_popescu: PeterL what drug is that in sane people speak ?
asciilifeform: anyway mircea_popescu , m. blaze's 'turtle' is, afaik, the only ~claimed~ provably-hard block cipher (non-otp) that i was able to track down.
polarbeard: just rebrand it to butt salts
mircea_popescu: "Bath Salts: As of July 22, 2011 possession of Bath Salts is a Class 4 Felony with the same sentencing as above." ahahaha wut.
asciilifeform: nah that is clearly a billiard ball
polarbeard: I'm evaling that just in case
asciilifeform kicks terminal
mircea_popescu: god ima have to kick him again aren't i.
minzie_: he isnt online at the moment, is he?
asciilifeform: and srsly, i don't even see the point in thinking about that one.
PeterL: asciilifeform re hasty pudding cypher: didn't you say key tables are evil?
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/44ogum/coinodealcom_western_union_scam_300/ << why the fuck does redditard have 300 dollars.
asciilifeform: FASTER THAN EITHER!11111
asciilifeform: i think i will go to a racing competition; and submit an 'enchilada cipher' car, a junkyard carcass of old ferrari welded to remnants of a crashed mazerati.
asciilifeform: what i was wondering is how the author of the comment came to think that this fits the specs given
mircea_popescu: i don't think anything'sd so hot.
asciilifeform: anybody can do that, it was actually the first thing i suggested
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see what is so hot about the composition thing
assbot: trb: trb/release/bitcoin/src/init.cpp File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW7cxh )
polarbeard: I've doxygened trb, https://polarbeard.github.io/trb-doxygen/init_8cpp.html
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2megabytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW7bcy )
mircea_popescu: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012412.html << this is marginally lulzy.
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW6SOY )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116484 < if you care about the curios. spam filter had them before.
assbot: US Department Of Education Driving Tuition Increases | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tb2b0G )
mircea_popescu: sure. just, the bleeding here is hidden.
mircea_popescu: on the strength of the record to date.
asciilifeform: see the 'implementer belongs in fermentation vat' point
mircea_popescu: no, but this is important.
mircea_popescu: just as long as this a) doesn't invalidate assumptions required by one in a way operator couldn't verify and b) they are actually independent, as opposed to "i thought they were"
asciilifeform: and, again, if the ciphertrons are INDEPENDENT, you can't do any damage by adding a damaged link downstream.
mircea_popescu: also asuming that A USEFUL WAY TO COMPOSE is always available is nonsense. and certainly asuming that the obvious composition is correct.
asciilifeform: you are ~guaranteed~ the strength of the strongest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is useful the way that the rng xor is useful
asciilifeform: if the composed elements are FULLY independent - composes.
asciilifeform: also, i will defend the notion that crypto - composes. usefully. the contrary notion is due 100% to retarded implementers, who belong in fermenting vat
mircea_popescu: it is not a bad paper. it is also not a bad thing to look for. unlike "cold fusion" and like "dark energy extraction", it has no actual merit for fundamental reasons.
asciilifeform: so why specifically can we rule the thing out physically
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever read feynman's original paper on the subj ?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: I woke up at 22:00 local time. Hazard of working Internet full time.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't per se object to girl wearing "lightsaber armorer" cocktail dress, if that's the fashion, as long as it grabs her tits and waist right etc.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Maybe It's just getting late. My troll/humor doesn't seem to be calibrated right.
mircea_popescu: and so no, i'm not paying anyone anything to add "lightsaber armor" to my clothing.
BingoBoingo: Ah. I guess a point could be made that if Obama's Hope and Change didn't fix the problem Bernie's isn't likely to either.
mircea_popescu: it belongs in the same heap as the audible / visible lasers, the bullets that spark off rock walls & al.
mircea_popescu: it is pointedly NOT a scientific notion, for the record, not anymore than communism is ; and in no danger of ever becoming one, such as occasionally sf items did become.
PeterL: BingoBoingo but the comment agrees with your article
mircea_popescu: was specifically discussing "quantum" as the literary fanon concept
mircea_popescu: ah that. sure.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: It mentioned the Bern, just kinda assumed it was. Didn't read too closely.
asciilifeform: and yes, it is an inflatable tank
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the latter is demonstrably false
mircea_popescu: it has exactly 0% chances to exist. if it did exist, however, the changes would be far reaching enough to render any present arrangements void anyway.
PeterL: how is that comment troll-y?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i on the other hand am more than willing to die by this imaginary "quantum" computing.
BingoBoingo: As long as the email hasn't been used in spam, email isn't going to be the thing that makes or breaks a comment's journey past the spam filter
BingoBoingo: PeterL: We do, but it would be bad journalism to disclose such things. And really how often are we actually going to test emails anyways.
PeterL: don't you collect commenters' emails, do you have to ask?
assbot: US Department Of Education Driving Tuition Increases | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7kJ1K )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-department-of-education-driving-tuition-increases/#comment-45435 << alright, who's the troll
deedbot-: [Qntra] Dotcom Extradition Appeal Set To Begin August 29 - http://qntra.net/2016/02/dotcom-extradition-appeal-set-to-begin-august-29/
asciilifeform: (or, for that matter, integer factorization. which, for n00bz, i will point out that rsa has never actually been formally reduced to!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why i'd rather not live and die solely by the discrete log problem.
asciilifeform: see, i'm unwilling to entirely discount the 'quantum' calculator thing.
asciilifeform: gonna have to cheat in wolf form, somehow.
asciilifeform: also interesting property, in c-s, you lose the chosen-ciphertext attack resistance if you split the message.