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mircea_popescu: how about you read the log instead.
danielpbarron: do you know the private key to any addresses with unspent outputs?
blockchain_enthu: and trying to get a sense of how far along have people thought over this
blockchain_enthu: LOL! i'm not saying i'm going to do it. i'm just exploring the possibility
danielpbarron: the key word there is 'somebody' and right now you ain't that
blockchain_enthu: LOL! Well a lot of ideas seem ridiculous before somebody manages to pull it off
danielpbarron: that and every other half-baked idea to "do x but this time with blockchain technowlogeez"
danielpbarron: i think that pretty well sums it up
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:20:52; mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why.
blockchain_enthu: is there a way for me to read that part ?
danielpbarron: i'm trying to find the part in the log where this idea was proposed and shot down
blockchain_enthu: what are your thoughts on this?
blockchain_enthu: i am still trying to explore more
blockchain_enthu: umm.. like executing real estate transactions?
blockchain_enthu: but the underlying principle of bitcoin is block-chain which can have many other applications
danielpbarron: but the implication is that there could exist a block chain without the money part
blockchain_enthu: yes, those two are not separate.
danielpbarron: what do you mean, block chain more interesting? How are the two separate?
blockchain_enthu: so i thought i'll join an IRC channels to see what kind of things people discuss
blockchain_enthu: I am a non-tech kind guy trying to understand block chain and bit coins. I find block chain to be more interesting than bit coin
mircea_popescu: i guess this raises the need for an intermediate flag
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the src and itself also, prolly, yeah.
mircea_popescu: solo es que todo deja de funccionar si lluvia
kakobrekla: move to africa
mircea_popescu: no mains current in this part of town since midday, kako
mircea_popescu: well whatever, the thing with the dials.
mircea_popescu: i think it must be
kakobrekla: you have a dc to ac inverter?
asciilifeform: the ~sane~ behaviour for a make is to kill only that which it itself birthed.
mircea_popescu: massive lightning strike bout quarter mile away, took my inverter clean off.
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 03:50:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404516 << why not the src and itself also then. ☝︎
mod6: ok so that one line update built fine... good to know.
mod6: mircea_popescu: hows the power situation been?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it's been raining like the end of the world in buenos aires, i fully expect the downtown to be under water in the morning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea ☟︎
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day << afaik this was broadly tyhe plan, at least at first
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a )
mod6: has everyone who is going to test this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html actually finished? maybe i don't need to wait another week.
mod6: ok testing the one line change to v99996 build script.
mod6: my apologies, kinda thinking out loud here.
mod6: (this is without the makefiles), with the makefiles, we'll have to wait on the release vpatch until the makefiles are vified.
mod6: then we can update the build script for v99995 where it presses up through `v054-RELEASE.vpatch' or something.
mod6: so once the new V is out, i don't see why at that point we don't submit the release vpatch.
asciilifeform: route to keys.
asciilifeform: nobody would even notice if they were to vanish - caches have it all
mod6: where do you get A records if all of the root/gtld servers vanish?
asciilifeform: and where, exactly, is one to get a new host file, if all of the mirrors vanish overnight ?
mod6: these are the new root servers.
mod6: I did too, but we need more mirrors imho
trinque: I quite liked the v-tronic hosts file idea
mod6: anyway, so again, my short term goal here is to get V stablized so hopefully no further changes will be needed once i pt out v99995
trinque: death to dns
mod6: mircea_popescu: you need any help, or did you get that issue with it dying sorted?
trinque: we've been overlooking a great many failed targets since day one
asciilifeform: do we have this ?
asciilifeform: and under no circumstances must, e.g., 'boost', be built twice.
asciilifeform: so it needs a fallback where the deps are not curled if already found
trinque: so you put the deps in the proper place, and nothing is downloaded
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu likes, iirc, building on same box as his thing ~runs~ on, that is, a net-connected one
mod6: im trying to avoid getting hit over the head with "but it uses curl!" -- but maybe i like the beatings?
asciilifeform: at any rate, mod6 imho should not wait for this
trinque: we are both aware of what a trivial change that is.
asciilifeform: (it would invoke the heathen ones in the deps and intelligently proceed, or not, given success/failure)
asciilifeform: trinque: originally i wanted recursive so i could dive into, e.g., boost, openssl, and have a single makefile for the whole orchestra
mod6: instead we just have a "release" version of the build script like everyone has been using and then push the "better build aparatus" into the post release development push.
mod6: im starting to think that maybe we dont worry about that for this release.
trinque: given you proposed recursive makefiles, and are now bitching that there are many makefiles, what is your new proposal?
mod6: alright, well, we'll have to come up with something.
mod6: ok so you're not sold on these 'eh.
mod6: which everyone has said, needs to happen.
asciilifeform: i remember now that i saw this before, and mercifully forgot.
mod6: yeah, well, that is one of the things. we need to figure out where to pull the stuff from -- and again if locally, then we need to totally alter buildroot.
mod6: ah, ok. well, we're planning on working through these things. any other things?
asciilifeform: also mixing v press and makefile build is imho The Wrong Thing.
asciilifeform: 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER
mod6: getting the makefiles squared away, is the last remaining task (other than regression testing) that stands in the way of v054
mod6: it basically breaks up my build script into makefiles. its worth your time to take a look i think.
mod6: i just haven't quite figured out how im gonna fit it all together since they need to be Vified as well. at lesat, I think they do...
asciilifeform: because that's why makefile
asciilifeform: did they sanely avoid building anything that was already built ?
mod6: i was working on those lastnight, getting some stuff updated.
mod6: did you look at trinques makefiles?
asciilifeform: but of the builder
asciilifeform: not speaking of that horror
punkman: there was polarbeard's thing
asciilifeform: i tried this on day 1, but never figured out how to get idiot gnumake to recurse
asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day
mod6: then move on and there will just be a new version soon.
mod6: i guess I should make the script change and get it deedbotted.
mod6: Cause then I'm gonna release V v99995, which will require another script update.
danielpbarron: i have plenty of stuff to do so hopefully i won't get too carried away on the bidding
mod6: well, we need to make a 1 line change to the 99996 build script, and then update the wiki. BUT on the other hand we're gonna need 99995 soon anyway, as soon as some people beat up on my latest patch for V.
mircea_popescu: lol i'm so curious what that stuff will go for.
danielpbarron: what is it you want me to test?
danielpbarron: mod6> danielpbarron, got plans this weekend? << Eulora auction yo! Other than that, I don't really have "weekends" as I don't have a 9 to 5 kinda schedule
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, THAT machine igot a sighup 10 minutes ago, and bitcoind is still running on it. so... wtf.)
mircea_popescu: and i sure as fuck ain't doing basic science for the sake of science on it.
mircea_popescu: do not expect me to know how unix runs. the authors gave up.
asciilifeform: 'cause they never get sighup ?!