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ben_vulpes: why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style
ben_vulpes: what is this obscurantist claptrap?!
ben_vulpes: [sets] up a game of verbal smoke and mirrors to suggest
ben_vulpes: referred to as obscurantism (p. 1): “[when] the speaker...
ben_vulpes: phenomenon is similar to what Buekens and Boudry (2015)
ben_vulpes: "on the reception and detection of profound bullshit": http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5acbe1d5-c431-4e41-8d57-213e039e5764/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: hm. not in same way i dun think.
BingoBoingo: Oil industry too? Not mucus but still has lubricant.
ben_vulpes: congratulations on surviving the bubble attempt mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Now this is promising
mats: what an excellent troll
shinohai: Will remember to add the archive.is links next time though BingoBoingo, thanks
shinohai: \o/ I poo'd in the loo
BingoBoingo: Congrats to shinohai on his first qntra piece
punkman: Vandwellers”, about people living on the verge of poverty having to live a nomadic life in horse drawn moving vans."
punkman: "The history of Vandwelling goes back to horse drawn vehicles such as Roma Vardo wagons in Europe, and covered Conestoga wagons in the United States. One of the first uses of the term Vandwellers was in the United Kingdom showman and Van Dwellers' Protection Association, a guild for travelling show performers formed in the late 1800s. Shortly afterwards in 1901, Albert Bigalow wrote “The
punkman: /me remembers a hospital visit that concluded in a thunderous fart while doctor was palpating
asciilifeform: but if you like structure editors, interlisp (destroyed by commonlisp, incidentally, and by symbolics, as described in the pitman link from mircea_popescu ) is your sunken atlantis !
asciilifeform: (right now i`m on a toystore thing)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i`ll watch it when i get my computer back together
asciilifeform: incidentally i cannot tell, from the screenshots, whether that thing has a structure editor, like interlisp, or merely clutters the display
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> that was where she lifted the interesting part. << lol nicely put, what meaning is contemplated ? "she [metaphorical person] lifted her skirt, rather than shoes and sleeves and whatnot random insanities" "she [interlisp author] stole the good bits for once, rather than dubious ux or w/e"
asciilifeform: that was where she lifted the interesting part.
kakobrekla: i dont think so
mircea_popescu: (in fact, the lulzy otp discussion last week was EXACTLY re proven absence of meaning)
kakobrekla: i am not defending the implementation, just that there might be some merit to the ideas presented there. why do you chart v patches?!
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mircea_popescu: you can prove that meaning is impossible, just not trivially.
mircea_popescu: it can be, but it's a much tougher nut than generally understood.
mircea_popescu: i don't see what drawing the matrix adds, either. arguing to ignorance alfie ?
asciilifeform: But this is crud. tell me, what does drawing the ast ADD???
mircea_popescu: meaning is not a property of things.
mircea_popescu: but allowing one rotten apple in rots the set, and allowing one lazy slavegirl ruins the lot and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you resolve it by sending the proprietary crud to hell
mircea_popescu: actually, let's cut the discussion to a particularly comfortable example : the internet was "going to open up human knowledge". instead it has created the WORST fucking style of prose the english language has ever known. tedious, humourless but contrived, inept and coming up short in all measures, from cracked to wikipedia the language is bleeding. there is not more knowledge but less, and even its clothes are haggard
kakobrekla: somewhere in the logs where you pasted a pic of a triple integral or somesuch
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: did i say this?? where?
kakobrekla: and to think current setup is optimal seems far fetched to me.
mircea_popescu: note that they're not even fucking contradictory ffs.
mircea_popescu: now how do i, as a third party, resolve this dispute ?
kakobrekla: actually without 'code generators' your computer is useless, its just a matter of how away from the bedrock your abstraction is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the sake of argument, consider this issue : <asciilifeform> but the hamilton thing is garbage. ; hamiltoninc : "Here are some properties and features that make 001 unique: Always number one when put to the test."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was largely from lowering the entry bar.
asciilifeform: but the hamilton thing is garbage.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the move from asm to c/basic HAS resulted in shittier programs throughout.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile medicine goes through the same process as we speak, and the deleterious effects are pointedly obvious.
mircea_popescu: it still has failed to materialize.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla while he is stuck in a very hard to defend middle, still, i gotta say this "code generators" line you're arguing has a lot in common with the "betterment" that was to come from autocading all architecture.
mircea_popescu: "hey, at least i don't live in the projects. i choose who rapes me!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers << i suspect living in a van will be the new middle class in the us.
kakobrekla: this is like claiming 'you still need to machine code' in the seventies
asciilifeform: the spec can look like, say, 'prolog' (constraint-based programming) BUT you still have to ... program!
asciilifeform: realize, there is not nor cannot be any escape from actually specifying a problem.
kakobrekla: im not claiming the linked implementation is worth much but i suspect it has some good ideas, like not 'writing code' anymore.
asciilifeform: but what spiffy abstraction am i missing in the linked nail clippings?
kakobrekla: i suspect we need to break out of this 'writing code' thing we do, like we did with machine code.
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asciilifeform: what i dislike is crud that adds nothing.
kakobrekla: do you suggest the current level of abs is the best there is and ever will be
kakobrekla: afaik home computers werent good for much before the 'basic' came around
asciilifeform: pet informs me that the hamilton chick is being passed around the pheminizm circles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with my luck, i'll end up working there next !
copypaste: asciilifeform: it's business if you can cash into BTC; not whether you have the foresight to do so, but whether you have the ability to
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 17 Inman Street Cambridge,Massachusetts02139, 1-5mn revenue, 10-20 employees. looks like one of the [very numerous, usually derpy] some-guys-on-mit-campus-incorporeted-a-something deals.
asciilifeform: but i will add that this thing is extremely appealing when seen in contrast with microshit, and thus survives
kakobrekla: compiler? it generates the code to be compiled. apparently can generate ada too.
BingoBoingo: sign and encrypt it and get the text to me somehow.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: where to send poo in loo submission when finished?
asciilifeform: i'll use a proprietary compiler shortly after my appointment as reichsminister, where i will commute to ft. meade on flying pig over a frozen hell.
asciilifeform: couldn't try it even if i wanted.
asciilifeform: and proprietary crudlang, on top of this.
asciilifeform: not even the demented author of hypertalk thought that drawing the limbs the of the ast was a good idea...
assbot: Logged on 14-02-2016 14:18:39; kakobrekla: http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405476 << holy fuq, the sheer 'visual pr000000gramming!' crapolade ! ☝︎
BingoBoingo: "so he would stop shitting class of Americans that apires to productivity"
punkman: ah apparently some Apollo mission thing, built on Ada
shinohai: "The Indian Government declined to comment as to whether they would also provide a toilet to Preet Bharara, so he would stop shitting in American streets and court buildings."
BingoBoingo: Anyways I thought most areas in India where this is popular they generally had designated shitting fields.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Because Qntra points out ACTUAL oppression like this.
shinohai: Because Qntra is dedicated to preserving Indian rights to shit in the street?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Now's your chance to audition for qntra. You've got a story, now your headline is "Indian Government And Banks Suppressing Cornerstone Of Local Culture"
kakobrekla: cant tell you anything more than what the pages says
punkman: kakobrekla: wtf is that
assbot: Govt asks banks to pitch in to make India open defecation free - timesofindia-economictimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAuY92 )
assbot: Hamilton Technologies ... ( http://bit.ly/1oBuqt9 )
kakobrekla: http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it? ☟︎
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BingoBoingo: Seriously. Reddit level AI bot was linking nothing but facebook and such a variety of things there's no other way to prevent it from reemerging.
mircea_popescu: hey, they wanna be on qntra let them use our advertising platform.
BingoBoingo: In other news facebook.com in any part of a comment to qntra no longer passes go, goes straight to hell never to be seen.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Out of 50 these were the only ones of interest
mircea_popescu: maybe save these for reddit ?
BingoBoingo: Her eyes all glazed over; her body shaking. She never was the same dog after the Boingo house that fateful Halloween night.
BingoBoingo: Another machine generated gem: Stop screaming I was thknniig wait that was me screaming. Where is Cream Puff? I told them we shouldn’t come to the Boingo house. Everyone knows it’s haunted. There are all sorts of wicked smells coming from the basement and now the basement has Cream Puff. Who knew what sort of ghoulish things they may do to her then I see her … it’s Cream Puff I think….she came from the back of the house.
mircea_popescu: sounds like women in text.
BingoBoingo: a dark figure in the corner started moving toward me. I tried to roll out of bed but realized my feet were tied to the bed. What the hell was happening?"
BingoBoingo: Apparently a new spambot turn on while I was sleeping: "I sat up in a cold sweat. Had someone's hand rellay been over my mouth or was I dreaming. My hotel room was pitch black save for the dim glow of my laptop screen. The Boingo application blinked angrily at me as the wifi had obviously been interrupted suddenly. My midnight snack, a half-eaten cream puff, lay awkwardly on the floor.Suddenly, I heard a wicked scream just before
mircea_popescu: (actually - this is a pretty well represented subculture, contrary to what intuition may be telling you)
mircea_popescu: "give your friends the gift of blackmail!"
punkman: actually surprised that no altcoin inventor yet has come up with ransomware as a feature