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mod6: ima think about it though, probably try some different things.
mircea_popescu: different genesis makes different tree, it's all there.
mod6: yah, see. not well thought out mod6.
mircea_popescu: b ut no, you do not wish to introduce state.
mircea_popescu: why not use the current comment symbol ?
mod6: anyway, i'll think about how to make this a thing.
mod6: heck, i dunno, i gotta sit and think on it for a while.
mod6: then if V sees one of these comments with "%% EXPERIMENTAL %%" then it builds a seperate flow
mod6: i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and
mod6: oh yes. at first thought, this seems like a much needed thing.
mircea_popescu: but gotta give a 2nd tree some thought for ppl to do experimental work on.
mod6: Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted.
phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week) ☟︎
mod6: Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles.
mod6: This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki.
mod6: Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend.
mod6: and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it.
mircea_popescu: speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg ☟︎
mod6: but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year.
mircea_popescu: well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely.
danielpbarron: i guess i was imagining the reverse, a republic under a king
mod6: just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating
mod6: for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot?
mircea_popescu: well then he can't have much say can he ?
danielpbarron: i meant in a republic the king gets killed
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm trying to follow what you';re saying here.
danielpbarron: wait who should be killed in that situation?
danielpbarron: or guy finds young girl in field, takes her, father insists they now marry
mircea_popescu: more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry.
danielpbarron: prospective husband goes to father of prospective wife
danielpbarron: or it's more of a decentralized trade
mircea_popescu: (trade does not need a market to happen, note)
mircea_popescu: this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market.
danielpbarron: it's the most realistic game i ever played
mircea_popescu: it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre.
danielpbarron: >> but the trade in mates is intended to be a major economic factor.
mod6: part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron plox to link me!
mircea_popescu: but this is not something anyone relishes.
danielpbarron: aren't you the one that said there should be a market for wives or something?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron depends on the wife.
asciilifeform: the way people 'marry' bricks, forks, the color purple.
mircea_popescu: i thought phf was trolling us with tmsr sense.
danielpbarron: wives are not that much unlike cattle are they?
asciilifeform: but this has distinct down-sides.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but that is precisely the picture you have drawn: keyless cow.
mircea_popescu: how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ?
danielpbarron: why does everything need to be a cow or how does it go?
danielpbarron: so use otp then
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron since that'd have to be single use, you're better off with otp
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and after you wed the bayonet on the field ?
danielpbarron: a key that only you and her know
mircea_popescu: what is this "unpublished key" ?
danielpbarron: but that's not the same as an assbot registered key
danielpbarron: well you could have an unpublished key to use for that purpose
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how do you issue an order, or take a dispatch, from a keyless animal ?
mod6: how do i know who im talking to
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: unless you are a telepath, you might want to remotely operate the wife and need key
mircea_popescu: in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate.
danielpbarron: it's like the penny auction collsion problem
danielpbarron: but the point is they are as one key, one flesh
danielpbarron: that too
danielpbarron: well i've given this some thought, and i just don't see the point of the wife signing anything about it as she should now act as one flesh with her new husband; if she needs something notarized, let him do it for her
mircea_popescu: let the ravens do it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh.
asciilifeform: keyless wife is liable to get switcheroo'd, also
mircea_popescu: as per alf's earlier pronouncements, who'd want a wife like that ?
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, old s0ng, of a soldier to a raven who is picking at his still-living flesh)
asciilifeform: ('i took a bride, quiet and modest, in the field, under a bush, sharp saber was my matchmaker, bayonet - my best man')
mircea_popescu: is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're doing ru theme today, then, pertinently, 'Взял невесту тиху-скромну В чистом поле под кустом, Остра шашка была свашкой,— Штык булатный был дружком.'
mircea_popescu: or wait what was that myspace called... twitterbook ?
phf: topic needs a debate thread
mircea_popescu: there's no v-marriage is there ?
mircea_popescu: o boy. does tmsr recognize marriage with goat ? woman ? no less than 3 ? what ?
phf: re shinohai's raiting, come to think of it future tmsr~ weedings ought to be officiated by danielpbarron
asciilifeform: just, not accepting new connections, nor processing tx.
asciilifeform: a blackholed trb does not fall silent, but actually is maintaining links with a number of existing peers (bouncing inv's, etc)
asciilifeform: curiously enough, it turns out that,
asciilifeform: which has been in a black hole state, about 90% of the time, for the past hour.
asciilifeform: on zoolag, to be specific
asciilifeform: i spent a good spell watching tcpdump with eyeballs
shinohai: ^ did not want to scan
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
shinohai: !rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
mircea_popescu: and in more of the same news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/accfa02eea100e7bade52a5e8a944564/tumblr_niwamsdgFX1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers.
assbot: Judge Forces Apple to Help Unlock San Bernardino Shooter iPhone - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkwNq8 )
asciilifeform: for the lack of other hypothesis ?
mircea_popescu: oh, that's what it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i underestimated the power of the magical nobody-giving-half-a-fuck field
asciilifeform: mega-blackhole-action today, incidentally.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will have to wait 2+ hours. Have to go to cult meeting.
mircea_popescu: http://49.media.tumblr.com/852f722c238d3065f474c5815f3e5c1c/tumblr_niycb0wlKg1qlne6uo1_400.gif << in other-other news, well trained girls exist.
BingoBoingo: In other news the latest spammers to buy /. actually ask the users what they want http://slashdot.org/poll/2973
mircea_popescu: so... win-win, as they say in loserland.
mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza
hanbot: i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop
BingoBoingo: They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman