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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm serious. Cool
things happen near
the compact shelving and study cages because
the undergrads wonder who
the fuck goes
there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consumer level security is always an affair directed more at
the neighbour's
teenaged sons
than anything.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: re: library life. In my picuture what do you
think
the dude was browsing for? Big library eans it
takes
time
to find
the nekkid.
adlai: iirc
this is in
the video. hang on.
adlai: discussion of alphago on several sites mentions hearsay-level evidence
that
the bot facing Fan Hui had only ever 'studied' amateur games, or its own games.
mircea_popescu: (i don't believe in
teaching go. which is
to say - i do not believe
there is a single
thing you can say
to a new player whicfh provably does more good
than bad.)
adlai: the only unknown in
the story is what happens when
the seed set includes professional matches... my inkling so far is
that amateur matches include good moves, professional matches include less bad ones
mircea_popescu: this is, afail, how most people deliberately
taught go are
taught go
adlai: thus
the navel gazing comment. it seems
to me
that alphago-which-beat-fanhui was analogous
to an amateur who spent 1000 "human-years" of
time playing against itself, and now has enough "spider sense" for macro-tactics
to almost fake understanding strategy
mircea_popescu: and
the whole nn
talk is just smoke and mirrors built atop
that simple idea, basically.
mircea_popescu: which is a cheap heuristic and likely
to beat a good chunk of players.
mircea_popescu: my understanding, quite rudimentary i admit, is
that instead of iterating
through all possible single-move changes
to
the board,
the machine iterates
through "all commonly seen cluster-level changes
to
the board".
adlai: the only possible hope I see for a surprise victory is if something qualitatively different happens once
they seed
the whole story with professional matches.
the 'instance' (in
the sense of (make-instance 'alphago), not in
the sense of "machine") which beat Fan Hui was seeded off amateur games alone.
mircea_popescu: adlai i didn't get
the idea alphago was a single instance.
assbot: The all-American asshole, in his own words, with my own notes on
Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1PIi3El )
adlai: mircea_popescu: as i understand it, 'alphago' is a system for
training a go-move-scoring ANN against itself, from an initial seed of positions
taken from human games.
the product of
this is a single instance which can play a game against a human, or itself, and "learn" - producing another instance of itself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was re
the entire marginal autistic child
trapped in an adult body
thing.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 04:28:05; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a photoshop,
taken in New England with a camera
that sees
time 7 years in advance.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 14:00:42; mircea_popescu: and
there's a pile of observations
to be had
there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm
too lazy.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 13:54:45; mircea_popescu:
the inconvenient
truth of
the matter is
that
there isn't enough hope
to go around
to everyone ; and moreover
that intelligence per se is a miserable predictor for
this.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 15:03:17; adlai: mircea_popescu: sounds like you should have
the girls start up an herbalife/"soylent cream is sheeple" competitor! but what you & peterl say makes me question my understanding of ANNs (or
that of people who say
that AlphaGo is still "learning" while gazing deeper into its own navel)
adlai: mircea_popescu: sounds like you should have
the girls start up an herbalife/"soylent cream is sheeple" competitor! but what you & peterl say makes me question my understanding of ANNs (or
that of people who say
that AlphaGo is still "learning" while gazing deeper into its own navel)
☟︎ cazalla: zzz, night all, much love,
terry
tibbs
cazalla: fuck all views, gimme
that make monies while u sleep adsense monies
cazalla: had my fill of
tzatziki
this summer, cucumbers out
the ass
cazalla: college cornflakes
tahini
though i dunno
mircea_popescu: when it occured
tro me
that if i put my cereal in
there, i probably wouldn't have
to chew it. and so i did, and wow, cereal-tahini-paste. wunderbar.
mircea_popescu: in better living
through
technologee news, i bought a juicer a while back, it came with a coffee grinder attachment which i never used. until a few days ago,
that is
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 07:24:57; ben_vulpes: my inner
thieving gypsy recoils violently against
the notion of working someone else's chumpatron
mircea_popescu: (tbf,
the nature of nn is
that nobody is an expert anyway)
mircea_popescu: it works by computing clusters of stones over and over, best i can
tell
peterl: right, so it has
to figure
the best moved based on
the current board
mircea_popescu: peterl
thinking
the
thing maintains a huge rainbow
table of games is not useful.
the
thing about go is
that it has
too many possible positions.
peterl: if
the opponent does something it would not have done,
then all
the premade predictions are useless
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:45:13; *: adlai wonders at
the degree
to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games
peterl: <mircea_popescu>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409266 <<
the difference between
these
two is irrelevant in context. during, in between, wut ? << if
taken from during
them game, it can predict
the best way
to win
the current game, if
taken before hand, it just predicts
the general best way
to win
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:45:13; *: adlai wonders at
the degree
to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games
mircea_popescu: and
there's a pile of observations
to be had
there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm
too lazy.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:39:01; adlai: has anybody actually gone over alphago's play?
this
thing plays like an intelligent, polite housewife
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for kuzetsa with note: stereotypical wikipedia idiot. please do humanity and
the world generally a favour and step outside. everything. all of you.
mircea_popescu: !rate kuzetsa -1 stereotypical wikipedia idiot. please do humanity and
the world generally a favour and step outside. everything. all of you.
cazalla: shinohai, aint you never heard of
the glove in a
tube between
the bed
trick, chicken breast wtf
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, intelligence in and of itself is not useful
to
the intelligent.
mircea_popescu: that'll perhaps feed and clothe
their wormy offspring when
they won't be able
to.
mircea_popescu: it's
true
that [a certain subset of parents]
treats
their kids intelligence as a sort of surogate beauty/athletic promise/musical
talent,
mircea_popescu: the inconvenient
truth of
the matter is
that
there isn't enough hope
to go around
to everyone ; and moreover
that intelligence per se is a miserable predictor for
this.
☟︎ mircea_popescu has been around long enough
to recall
this exact
thing happening once before.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 06:23:11; phf: it just looks like
the issue is not so much
that his views are frowned upon, it's
that he can't handle opposite opinions
cazalla: and clearly i really want
to
cazalla: biological urge is
to knock her up whether i really want it or not
cazalla: if it's purely
to humilate and pwn her, i get it, but for ones own enjoyment, i don't see it, for myself anyway
mircea_popescu: wait, bubba pressured you into doing
the missus in
the pooper ?
cazalla: if you enjoy it, or others, idc, but never seen
the appeal, as mentioned before, i was pressured into it and she cried lol
shinohai: Just
think "hey my cock is so big it makes her puke!" You'll feel better about it! :D
mircea_popescu: SOME EAT
THE SHIT BEFORE
THEY PUKE IT OUT AND EAT IT AGAIN!11
mircea_popescu: and i fucked at least a coupla
that puked on a super-daily basis.
cazalla: rather jack off on xhamster
than use condoms
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what womens pukes from
there on a daily basis? i sure as fuck don't want shit on my cock
mircea_popescu: shinohai it does actually work, least of which because she gotta relax
to
take it or else it hurts.
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know i don't follow
the logic of
this. so no anal sex because she on occasion shits from
there ? for one
thing, if you want her
to, she can banana from
there, just stick one in. for
the other
thing - no oral sex either ? she pukes from
there! you like puke more
than shit ? what about normal hole, she bleeds from
there not
to mention babies from
there. are you a pedo now because you fuck
the baby hole ?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 05:37:42; kuzetsa: oooh, less
than a month ago ok
cazalla: so you giving or
taking shinohai
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 05:13:44; pete_dushenski:
the whole 'red hot economy' spectacle really isn't as attractive first-hand as it is on paper, at least aesthetically.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 05:05:29; phf:
there are parts by
the waterfront where on weekends you can see an assortment of underclasses and weirdos. mexicans fishing, blacks riding dirt bikes, white
trash drinking. kind of cool, i'll
take
that anytime over
the overdeveloped DC
cazalla: cause im one step closer
to
the edge, geddit
mircea_popescu 's little shop of horrors slash
talk
therapy is now open for biz.
cazalla: nah, you'd have
to kill me before i'd submit
to
that
mircea_popescu: so
there's your
tailor made placebo. every
time you get
the problem,
tell yourself
that if it keeps going you're going
to have anal sex with a black dude as a cure.