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asciilifeform ~knows~ that the pin does not normally come out! does not need correction on subj
mircea_popescu: well now that we understand the positions in theory, a negotiation for functional practice may begin.
asciilifeform: if the cane is because forgot to put the firing pin in the kalash on reassembly
asciilifeform: even then it makes sense.
mircea_popescu: everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.
asciilifeform: the cabbage makes sense though !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so they did. and women beaten for cutting cabbage wrongly. and on it goes.
mircea_popescu: Texting and social media's slowness gives them their power for this purpose. You read a text, and it lingers, it keeps your attention because it's all there is; and then you respond with a piece of your real self, and wait for a response... what's happening is time travel-- while you are on pause, the rest of not-your life goes faster. It is far more efficient at killing time than a phone call.
mircea_popescu: hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you. And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.
mircea_popescu: opularity of Downton Abbey, not to mention alcohol and iphones at dinner. It is against this background of "phony" convention that teens can productively "rebel" and find their own individuality against a status quo; fighting against an emotionally illogical, arbitrary, unpredictable structure results in learning the opposite lesson, "whatever gets me through the day..." Without this structure to social activities, w
mircea_popescu: ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives. When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you. Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p
mircea_popescu: But why do we need "the balance?" What does it replace, what went missing? The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose. Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk? Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather? Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"? Because that formal
asciilifeform: back in the day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's soliders painted quite a lot of grass fields green, and snowmen - white, didn't they.
mircea_popescu: hmmm where's that article about boring family life, and hating the boring structure but nevertheless benefitting from it
mircea_popescu: or, as tlp very well put it, "
mircea_popescu: the deep secret here being that the potatoes are objectionable FOR BEING POTATOES, whereas their absence is objectionable universally.
mircea_popescu: you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.
mircea_popescu: to this day the only way to become a carpenter is to carpent. the only way to become a whoremonger is to fuck.
mircea_popescu: no, warhol is a talentless dali. just as lazy.
asciilifeform: but perhaps i was thinking of pollack
asciilifeform: to the extent my stomach permitted.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you're familiar with the fellow ?
asciilifeform: the talentless wretch who is very good at sweat, and paints, paints - this is warhol.
mircea_popescu: plox - the world has had enough americans. forever.
asciilifeform: no, it is what you get when you take out the talent, and leave ~only~ the toil.
mircea_popescu: what you get when you take toil out of psychologi is lacan. he is not a psychiatrist,
asciilifeform: and then recrunching the hashes.
mircea_popescu: what you get when you take toil out of painting is warhol. he is not an artist
asciilifeform: likewise, it is very easy to 'cheat' by applying fuzzy-diff.
mircea_popescu: this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.
asciilifeform: it is gruntwork and the ability to do it does not correlate with anything higher.
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
asciilifeform: the manual merging thing is quite exam.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why the v is so important. does away with any exam.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Done: f400ba5417274972a8a0da799d916983987156f949955d2bb9c6a4f146be2b31 bitcoind
asciilifeform: but machine can also be fooled, in the long run, by 'exam takers.'
mircea_popescu: there isn't "better" carbon to make man or beast.
asciilifeform: overall i agree with this, and personally i have introduced many tortures, as the folks reading have felt on own skins.
mircea_popescu: which is why the same proteins make dog and dog vomit.
asciilifeform: i burn in this hell because too weak to escape it, and ergo it is the correct place.
mircea_popescu: people will do what they see around them.
mircea_popescu: look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?
mircea_popescu: your trust in people is misplaced.
asciilifeform: who, yes, had an easier time getting and staying in.
gribble: Object 279 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_279>; Object 279 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es4Hy9VNDAc>; Object 279 Soviet Havy Tank [HD]-2014 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjgNWD5DrNA>
mircea_popescu: if not "relief from the antiquated chains of monk copying"
mircea_popescu: how do you suppose webstack became a thing ?
asciilifeform: (or, conversely, its absence, a ticket to prb damnation)
asciilifeform: i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
asciilifeform: it means to cut out the scar tissue and replace with prosthesis.
mircea_popescu: and ONLY then.
mircea_popescu: i do want it to be finished.
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
asciilifeform: or waste of time ?
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu want it to be finished, and replace the idiot rpc ?
asciilifeform: well, take, for instance, 'shiva'
mircea_popescu: are you proposing that "software must progress" ?
asciilifeform: my point was that mircea_popescu is asking 'the tank must be 1,000 tonnes! because fuckyou' but from where comes the engine ?
mircea_popescu: the thing with emplaced coastal artillery battery ?
asciilifeform: the one with the naval cannon
mircea_popescu: was thgat the tank-submarine ?
asciilifeform: would have been, a what, 1500 tonne !
mircea_popescu: iirc was also a locomotive type engine lol
mircea_popescu: iirc the soviets captured the prototype facility
asciilifeform: did it even make it that far east ?
mircea_popescu: which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!
asciilifeform: i am reminded of the german fella who proclaimed 'the tank will be 200 tonnes and fuck you'
mircea_popescu: the very concept of "my" patch has to go.
asciilifeform: and then write it.
mircea_popescu: he has to READ IT
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else
BingoBoingo: Where the good lord split, not even Blockstream has internal consensus on HKGOXMTG https://archive.is/9PdE7
mircea_popescu: ACTUAL thousand eyes, mandated, by design.
asciilifeform: one of these things is not like the other.
mircea_popescu: reading the fucking code is not time wasted, keeping you from time you could have "better" spend writing more code.
mircea_popescu: "why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste. << it is NOT waste. not anymore than the work that goes into brushing teeth is idiot waste.
asciilifeform: the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste.
asciilifeform: this is making the student peel potatoes 18 hr. a day.
mircea_popescu: if it is you'll have to show it.
mircea_popescu: "who cares how many nights student has to stay up until x clicks in his head"
mircea_popescu: similarly moscow university teacher does not care about candle burn.
asciilifeform: we have ddt for this.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to care about sweat you'll end up with the maggots on the meat.
asciilifeform: whereas he ought to understand that he is squandering a ~finite~ resource.
mircea_popescu: trust that it is the right approach.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't seem to give the least damn about sweat, so long as it is not off his own back. 'who cares how many zeks it takes to build belomor canal' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.
mircea_popescu: the face of alf when he becomes privy to the evil matroshka mp, whereby he only argues things one way for the ease of arguing other things later.
asciilifeform: lulzy how this is the exact inverse of the lisp machine thread !
asciilifeform: or the hapsburgs, etc.
mircea_popescu: they all have demonstrable teeth.
asciilifeform: this one has demonstrable teeth.
mircea_popescu: whatever you call the deity today.
asciilifeform: actually it is the omnipotence of regression-to-the-mean
mircea_popescu: it is not, but merely the necessary result of trying to keep milk in reed baskets.
mircea_popescu: you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:25:16; mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.