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mod6: heh, these guys built this huge thing, but their sign files only have SHA1 & MD5, even the most recent 2016.02
mod6: oh nm, looks like those are only there for an RC version?
mod6: guess that only started with the version /after/ our version 2015.05
mod6: im gonna take a look at that instead.
mod6: in here there seem to be .sign files for the .tar.gz's, but they seem to have .gpg's for the tar.bz2's
ben_vulpes: ha wow did the shitgnomes snip that mod6 ?
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phf: yeah, korean places are not bad, but i know only of one that caters specifically to koreans (i.e. good heat), a lot of them are western oriented so massage and facials and such
mod6: ok, so right, with 1.4.19 it has that WARNING at the end: http://dpaste.com/1BZA8NQ.txt
kakobrekla: im fine with shower only as long as you can set the temp to whatever you want
phf: there's literally 4 places in the entire virgnia-connecticut stretch. maybe there's something up in Massachusetts. there's "east european" places ran by russians but with a lot of turks, etc. and then there's korean baths. but koreans frown on cold plunges, so they would usually have a tepid shower/pool
mod6: im gonna look again at what happens with 1.4.19 & that sign file.
phf: i hnfi. these people do "spas", but the sauna part is typically a joke
mod6: ben_vulpes: yeah, i dunno what the deal is with it, seems to not work exactly as expected.
kakobrekla: really no saunas? whats the deal with that?
ben_vulpes: also that signature is disturbingly short
ben_vulpes: mod6: while there's no harm in checking the .sign, i don't know what it buys us
phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome ☟︎
kakobrekla: meanwhile i was the only person in sauna yesterday evening
phf: kakobrekla: i went camping in the Appalachian last weekend, -20c w/ winds, but it was awesome. i did just enough trash talking about russian blood to come down with a flu by thursday...
mod6: anyway, i guess i don't mind, i can add a part where we check the SHA1 & MD5 of the buildroot artifact and then continue to verify that .sign file.
mod6: danielpbarron: ok thanks for the update
mod6: i think this was actually discussed quite some time ago. i dont remember what the sentiment was exactly. but i think it was like "meh"
kakobrekla had a blast snowboarding the prime slopes of Dolomites region of Alps
phf: ben_vulpes: they are like md5 and sha1
ben_vulpes: mod6: perhaps hard code the hashes from korsgaard's signature and verify those?
kakobrekla: logs tell me no one missed me, great :) ☟︎
danielpbarron: oh mod6, with a fresh .bitcoin/ directory, your new thing seems to work fine
mod6: i guess, the other good news to that is you wont need to import that rando's guy's key into your keyring. still would need mine, alf & trinque's tho.
mod6: gonna try that out locally here.
mod6: still will check the hash of the buildroot artifact.
mod6: so with that build script, i'm thinking just take out the curl & --verify of that stupid .sign file.
phf: added patch highlight to btcbase (got tired of trying to visually locate patches in the graph)
asciilifeform: gotta do a few things to the mains wiring, i (and zoolag) will be down for 30 min. to an hour.
asciilifeform: appears that it was bug-free as it was.
asciilifeform: the fact that reiser was jailed cemented it as permanently high-quality, no one wants to touch it, no 'progressors' progressate at it, no gnomes, no popularizers!111, etc.
asciilifeform: and much as i loathe the idea, we will probably have to nail down our own linux distro.
asciilifeform: instruct new users that they must operate on a sane fs.
asciilifeform: anyway this particular crapocalypse is avoidable, at least on our planet. BAN any heathen fs.
jurov: lol looky now i'm the one to predict crapocalypse
asciilifeform: see also the gcc5 threads
asciilifeform: gotta love these 'optimizations'
asciilifeform: i did not include the tcp module for ts either
asciilifeform: phf: this was on my list of things to include, but i wanted to 'take it slow.'
phf: i recall riastradh making an srfi proposal for a minimum subset of filesystem operations. could just implement it for tinyscheme
asciilifeform: srsly, we are there already ??
asciilifeform: 'i deleted this first before reading, faster!1111'
jurov: while you slept, "modern" filesystem implementors deemed to fit to reorder operations to improve performance
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:07:32; mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above.
asciilifeform: any future folks who might think they are being clever with, e.g., nonterminating vtron program.
jurov: i smell you'll eventually end with different presses in diff machines due to different filesystem semantics
jurov: also, you imply basically to expose all filesystem primitives to scheme, are they comprehensively and soundly defined?
asciilifeform: we have finessed the halting problem !1111 ☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: the magic trick is that there is no such thing as unbounded runtime on my box.
jurov: asciilifeform: either it's 'can do all but X' or turing complete and thus with potentially unbounded runtime
asciilifeform: it is almost exemplary of the opposite of what we need here.
asciilifeform: and srsly, 'ed' ?! not meant for human reading any more than 'patch'.
asciilifeform: hence turingcompletevtron. ☟︎
phf: dat patch, can take them to water, can't make them drink
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 15:39:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411948 << have you looked into 'ed' diffs? but yes, they can't rename directory either. ☝︎
polarbeard: it works well, but still simple hooks because only a single callback may be registered per hook, not sure yet if there will be need for callback management
polarbeard: it actually stores the callbacks
asciilifeform: but i can't promise this, and can't be bothered to test, for reasons already described.
asciilifeform: from my naked eye reading, your thing will run until the first gc cycle.
polarbeard: yes, I'm not surprised that you have a different point of view, and I'm even pleased I think
polarbeard: I agree with you on that
asciilifeform: he is free, and encouraged to, produce his own schismatic shiva, and sign it, and who knows, folks may come to prefer it to mine.
asciilifeform: the magic of 'v' is that polarbeard does NOT have to agree with me!111
asciilifeform: and also in case polarbeard missed last night's thread,
asciilifeform: (for n00bs or readers who have not been keeping up, 'shiva' is a highly experimental affair and not to be considered part of mainline trb!)
asciilifeform: but yes, in the long run it is intended as a prosthesis to take over where the brain damage of the original is incurable.
asciilifeform: for the time being, with the more modest goal of abolishing the rpc module.
polarbeard: so you embedded scheme for that reason?
asciilifeform: nobody asked you to. but try also refrain from translating shiva to cpp, and spreading the leak metastases into it ?
polarbeard: that's pointless and a waste of time
polarbeard: never, I'm not translating trb to scheme
asciilifeform: 2) to THERMONUKE the idiot leaks.
asciilifeform: 1) to have the cpp content of trb asymptotically go to ZERO with time
asciilifeform: the point of shiva is PRECISELY the opposite
asciilifeform: (not to mention, bloating the code, but this is secondary)
asciilifeform: is that by 'marshalling' the pointers, you are introducing trb's leakages into tinyscheme.
asciilifeform: see, the big thing here,
asciilifeform: and i hope this is good feedback.
asciilifeform: but doings in cpp what can be done inside tinyscheme, i will not.
polarbeard: atm I just wanted to dump what I'm working for, to get constructive feedback
polarbeard: I'll split the bug fixes into their own vpatches when the time comes
asciilifeform: anything that is not going there, must answer why.
asciilifeform: on the contrary, that is the ideal place for all new code pertaining to shiva.
polarbeard: I won't be adding unnecessary code to init.scm
asciilifeform: for another, bug fixes are their own patches, one per bug, that must contain nothing else.
asciilifeform: for one thing, i won't be implementing list reversal in cpp !
polarbeard: so, what you're going to do with ts then?
polarbeard: this is not a vpatch, don't you see that?
asciilifeform: if you found an ACTUAL bug, that should be OWN PATCH.
polarbeard: I'm just encapsulating the functionality
asciilifeform: and what is this ? >> https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/f5c5b02a2ce7c1a69c77#file-shiva_hooks-patch-L142
asciilifeform: shiva.cpp as i originally wrote it, includes all of the trb headers. you can form scheme data structures handily without engaging in weird cppisms, just by iterating over, e.g., the node list, and forming scheme list while you do it.
polarbeard: because I'm marshalling per value type, not per hook type
asciilifeform: explain to me why it is even necessary.