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Jacmet: mircea_popescu:
true. I'll get
the new key cross signed by
the other devs at our next dev days and start using it
mircea_popescu: make a 4kb key and use it rather
than
the strange md5 lists or what's
that.
mircea_popescu: that would be
the one problem -
the
thing is a very valuable security asset, should be better protected.
Jacmet: and yes,
the current gpg key used for buildroot signing is getting quite old
mircea_popescu: and buildroot with musl prevented us from bathing in
the same humiliation EVERYONE else ended up in with
the recent gethostbyaddr
thing
mircea_popescu: we are : it's become
the replacement harness for bitcoin.
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: got a mail
that you guys were doing something with Buildroot and if I could join?
mircea_popescu: i mean
to convey my surprise and giddy excitement as
to how it's not wrong.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:54:08; asciilifeform: we have finessed
the halting problem !1111
mircea_popescu: is it supposed
to say "stolen plutonium dick" ? possibly only better
thing.
ben_vulpes: i read 'tc' in
the sense of 'can express arbitrary actions', in
the vein of
the old joke about programming in $shitlang: "hey, it's
turing complete, we can make it do whatever we need"
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "i want a whaleoctopusdeerkitten" because you dunno how
to say girlfriend
mircea_popescu: "arbitrary
text
transformations" but only between
these
two sets we carefully curated.
jurov: it's arbitrary
text
transformation,
too
jurov: arbitrary
text
transformations like you dream of do not fit in head
jurov: actually,
that's logical conclusion of what you want. instead of "teh stupid +++ --- stuff" make c++ parser, apply a
transform and generate code
mircea_popescu: jurov> someone inewitably will
try it anyway. and i wish
to see your face upon seeing vpatch with embedded cpptron <<< abhahaha win
jurov: someone inewitably will
try it anyway. and i wish
to see your face upon seeing vpatch with embedded cpptron
jurov: so
that descendants will list code snippets
the actually depend on
jurov: and
the graph will be made from
these checksums
jurov: maybe we'll end up with vtron
that actually allow
to implement source code parser inside vpatches so
that it computes checksums for every function
mircea_popescu: he's bound
to run into a shitton of resistance of
the medium in short order with
that
thing.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 15:48:49; mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be
turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier.
mircea_popescu: which is what
the first pass of
this convo actually exactly was, iirc.
mircea_popescu: ok, you know, say
that! "i want a homoiconic
thing with lambda", rather
than "tc"
jurov: lol first me
tormenting alf with ed, now
they awk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what other
than regexp do you hate in awk ? and being gnucpp, of course.\
jurov: no
the ide was patchmachine
takes *filesystem* and ditto
phf: i
think
the idea is
to have a slightly more constrained awk. patchmachine
takes string, manipulates it, returns new string
mircea_popescu: in
this sense cunt is
turing complete, it can express all proteins.
jurov: ^yes i was hinting at
this
too
mircea_popescu: in
that it's "turing complete in a purely
theoretical sense and with none of
the practical overhead a practical implementation would imply except in
those cases where it is clearly and
truly needed".
mircea_popescu: what [i believe] you have in mind when ytou say "tc" in
thsi context is pointedly not what most anyone reading it would expect it
to mean.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:49:27; asciilifeform: hence
turingcompletevtron.
ben_vulpes: these are
the original hooks? i misread
mircea_popescu: tied some ropes
to it and pulling on
them,
technically yes "this pulls
the earth
the wrong way". practically,
tis alpinism.
ben_vulpes: what even was
the point of
the schemehooks?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with
treating your baby as a chunk of bedrock, you know.
mircea_popescu: eh it doesn't pull anything.
think about it : it is a modest, quiet hope, specifically
that shiva/b-a/trb is actually heavy enough
that it may pull him.
mircea_popescu: won't be accepted in
trb by any means, but i dun see anything wrong wiht
the process.
mircea_popescu: so
the guy is more familiar with cpp, naturally wants
to isolate
the weird he's
taking in and
take it in at controlled rate.
mircea_popescu: god help
the man
that
takes a nap during republican
times.
phf: man, writing scheme is like
trying
to build an eiffel
tower out of
toothpicks
☟︎ mod6: haha. also gives you
the shits.
phf: ben_vulpes: you brought
this upon yourself :D
ben_vulpes: to be frank, i have no idea how
this gentoo image was even built in
the first place.