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asciilifeform: there were words, for these lesser simulacra.
asciilifeform: the 'friends' are what used to be called 'penpal'
asciilifeform: usd is what used to be called scrip.
mircea_popescu: who knows these things.
asciilifeform: how is that 'friends'
mircea_popescu: not the real place, of course. the mental nation of africa.
mircea_popescu: have friends with all the benefits of never meeting them, and none of the drawbacks. have friends IN AFRICA!
mircea_popescu: basically, i'm starting to understand, socialism is, other than utter idiocy, an alt-way to be social!
mircea_popescu: not this one. this one is just the gauge.
mircea_popescu: if the requirement of "have a friend" is a bar to fertility, other things have to be fixed.
kakobrekla: if the soil wont be fertile 0 places of the right sort will grow.
mircea_popescu: i want to use my buttcoins at EXACTLY 0 places of the wrong sort.
kakobrekla: i want to use my buttcoins at more than 7 places, ideally
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "rembrandt is not good because not so many of them"
kakobrekla: there arent that many of those.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and their friends, and their friends' friends
mircea_popescu: no. the goal of trb is to be ran AMONG PEOPLE.
kakobrekla: idk whats the goal of trb to be ran among a dozen friends and thats it?
asciilifeform: step 1 has to be 'make friend'
kakobrekla: except that noobs dont have friends
asciilifeform: the inevitable thing is that vtron users' expectations must re-adjust.
mircea_popescu: this nonsense is not to long continue.
mircea_popescu: we're misusing the wot / pushing things, here.
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 18:28:36; danielpbarron: where is anyone supposed to get pubkeys?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416682 <<< everyone is supposed to get pubkeys from THEIR FRIENDS. ☝︎
kakobrekla: "!key $nick" or something has been on my mind for a few months just havent actually gotten around to it.
mircea_popescu: b) there is no "crud". it correctly indicates to use 99995.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look also in the log, i think it just got fixed 1/2 hr ago
mircea_popescu: a) the line in question is not there. hdbuck where did you get it from ?
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 17:54:40; ben_vulpes: v99997. not that anyone could be reasonably expected to know that that's 2 degrees out of date.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416641 << i just looked in the wiki. ☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly because i don't do the update thing ?
asciilifeform: fact is, doesn't seem to work on anything
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 17:52:40; asciilifeform: i have every possible wwwtron here, i think
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416637 << eh, every possible wwwtron that runs no www, somehow, even the www that runs on every actual wwtron, including all the ones that run very constrained sets of www!!1 ☝︎
danielpbarron: for me, i also had a problem with the buildroot sig, but it finished with a working bitcoind anyway
danielpbarron: heh, where does it go off the tracks?
hdbuck: i’ve just started over in a new directory using the new wiki, still not sorking :/
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 17:16:12; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the buildroot fella ever come back to you with a modern sig ?
hdbuck: asciilifeform: hdbuck: if you take that key and manually run gpg --verify ..... on one of my patches, what do you get ? >> could you dpaste it so i dont get it wrong?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: was asking about getting assbot to regurgitate pubkeys on demand
asciilifeform: imho, at the very least he oughta be able to ask assbot and get the pubkey each of us is presently logged in with.
asciilifeform: but there are non-solution approximations of varying degrees of brokenness.
asciilifeform: just as there is not a solution to the three-body problem.
asciilifeform: and there is not an actual solution to the key distribution problem.
ben_vulpes: is supposed to?
ben_vulpes: what, reading the logs magically solves the key distribution problem? or do i catastrophically misunderstand. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what, make the 6, 36 ?
asciilifeform: so this does not automagically solve.
asciilifeform: anyway hdbuck has done his 6 mo. tour of duty, iirc.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: has it though
asciilifeform: after i explained that it is a catastrophic mistake
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought he quit doing this ????
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: while mod6's scripts pull them down from the net, i think this is actually a social problem.
asciilifeform: hdbuck: if you take that key and manually run gpg --verify ..... on one of my patches, what do you get ?
hdbuck: @asciilifeform but is it the key that v is using on your box ? >> what do you mean?
danielpbarron: i think it's generally solved by the 6-month rule
asciilifeform: i did not say that this was a solvable problem, in the usual sense.
danielpbarron: where is anyone supposed to get pubkeys? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al : possibly a neglected subject in the wiki, trb site, etc. is where the hell a n00b is supposed to get pubkeys.
asciilifeform: hdbuck: but is it the key that v is using on your box ?
asciilifeform: hdbuck: this appears to be a correct key.
asciilifeform: paste the public key you have for me.
hdbuck: also i just did it again now, with the link you provided me with, still not working
hdbuck: i look up from pool.sks-keyservers.net directly using the 0x… keys from the script
hdbuck: @ben_vulpes now i got this http://dpaste.com/2N5V06F
ben_vulpes: hdbuck use the linked v99995
hdbuck: anyway i gotta go, i’ll come back for moar help setting it up, thanks anyway
hdbuck: so i get to dl obsolete script :/
hdbuck: ah so it is because you keep going on and dont bother updating the wiki?
asciilifeform: either update the wiki EVERY TIME it gets obsoleted, or... don't bother HAVING it.
asciilifeform: but the one practical observation is, PICK UP YOUR TRASH
ben_vulpes: <blink>HOW TO NODE</blink> on thebitcoin.foundation would be an improvement
asciilifeform: i have yet to devise any serious final solution to this (outside of eldritch horrors like blockchain telegraphy.)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this thing where outdated crud floats around, confusing people, drove me to madness long before v etc.
ben_vulpes: that wiki'll be the death of poor mod6
hdbuck: @asciilifeform got it from the commands the wiki tells us to do i suppose
ben_vulpes: anyways this i believe to be the current version: http://mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
asciilifeform: how did this ~ever~ work ?
asciilifeform: but that was not my question.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i get that
ben_vulpes: v99997. not that anyone could be reasonably expected to know that that's 2 degrees out of date. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: notrly a thing to spend much time debugging, it does say 'line-3'
asciilifeform: at any rate, WHAT THE FUCK was 'curl -s -o V-20151129.tar.gz' EVER supposed to do ??????
asciilifeform: i have every possible wwwtron here, i think ☟︎
asciilifeform: doesn't highlight there, either !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is this supposed to highlight a line ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 rather, 47
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW << wtf is with line 46 of that ?????
hdbuck: when i execute it i just get this: http://dpaste.com/2F3PSGN
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 17:05:40; PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416099 << he parted about 2 minutes after this line ☝︎
asciilifeform: first things first, link to the build script you used
hdbuck: how would i do that?
asciilifeform: and post the file hash here. (sha512)
asciilifeform: hdbuck: try verifying it by hand, and tell us what was the output
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this doesn't tell us much. artifexd and dignork are still logged in, long after having set sail on the flying dutchman
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the buildroot fella ever come back to you with a modern sig ? ☟︎
hdbuck: pardon for my agnostic demands but as I’ve just followed Mr popescu’s guide to set up the realbitcoinfoundation node, i am unsure how it is working :/
asciilifeform: (or i shouldnt've bought those decade-old dimms...)