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asciilifeform: i can see hitler and dulles nodding to one another, 'yeah it'll be better to create a planet of castrated zombies'
mircea_popescu: besides. gotta explain all the other lifeless planets out there ~somehow~.
asciilifeform: since '53 or whenever ulam realized that you don't actually need the fissile firecracker.
mircea_popescu: unlike the qc thing, i can't even say this is not in the cards.
asciilifeform: quite possibly everything else that usg does is preparation for this exam.
mircea_popescu: "here's where washington used to be, that crater to the left. oh, you never saw that 100cc of methane gas, did oyu ? awww!"
mircea_popescu: ie, anyoen can make drugs and you won't be able to detect them and fuck you.
mircea_popescu: in a very "sf" take of the thing - actually workable, and perhaps miniaturizable laser-initiated compression would put the nuclear issue on about the same terms the war on drugs finds itself.
mircea_popescu: "ideally, it would want it not to exist ; but if it must exist, it wants to be the only one to ever have it"
asciilifeform: on other hand, nobody can resist asking the question.
asciilifeform: on one hand, it is the last thing a lizard wants to see appear.
asciilifeform: usg has an interesting relationship with the thing
asciilifeform: (i.e. thermonuke that doesn't require a fissile initiator, ergo no need for refining U)
asciilifeform: the laser thing is really the quest for the 'clean thermonuke' in disguise.
asciilifeform: the 'hot' folks managed to strangle the 'cold' for the usg pig trough fight, yes.
mircea_popescu: i like the laser pumping people.
asciilifeform: well there are two schools of fusion crackpottery, the 'hot' (tokamak, but really is just refinement of hbomb codes) and 'cold'.
mircea_popescu: ie, not high temperature, cold. but the meaning contemplated in the expression is, i suspect, quite, "+ev, ie cold"
mircea_popescu: in a different take of "cold".
mircea_popescu: otherwise... all sorts of "more expensive than it's worth" methods are known
mircea_popescu: i think that's what the "cold" part is trying to suggest.
asciilifeform: also fusion is very much the wrong term.
mircea_popescu: note that mom and dad of virgin teen can liberally hold either of these views, interchangeably.
asciilifeform: the difference between 'needs moar engineering' and charlatanry that can absorb $trillion with not a blip of result ?
mircea_popescu: who even cares ? take it off!
mircea_popescu: they're both where virgin teen is on prom night. is it going to be a good experience/marriage/life ? who knows ?
mircea_popescu: what's the operative difference ?
asciilifeform: it was where transmutation was in 1500.
mircea_popescu: note that cold fusion has been approx where rocketry was in 1930 for a good century now.
asciilifeform: the tree question is approx. where rocketry was in 1930.
mircea_popescu: "step towards" is you know... another ledge.
mircea_popescu: but i know people who put satellites in orbit ; i know no one who made the answer to the tree question.
mircea_popescu: now, granted, in re the trees, while it stands that you can't do it, i suspect you're right in suspecting it CAN be done.
phf: goes back to cause/purpose thing
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu misunderstood, i have no intention of pretending that the inexpressable distinction does not exist. merely stating that i am not equipped to deal in it.
mircea_popescu: note in any case that "operative" in that context specifically seeks "wooden pit" type answers.
asciilifeform: having actually been tasked with attempting something quite like the peach/pear before.
asciilifeform: actually i have a suitably grim picture of the capacities.
mircea_popescu: so basically this discussion just became 'explain this to me, and if you do i'll just pretend the explanation doesn't exist"
mircea_popescu: but you UNDERSTAND the meta point, which makes you lie to yourself about your capacities, because you really really want things to be a certain way.
asciilifeform: MB if we get to #include from the genus.
mircea_popescu: don't flatter yourself. you can't arrange this, and the answer would provably be > petabytes long.
asciilifeform: i can arrange this but the answer will be a few MB long.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to one day tell me what's the "operative difference" between peach and pear, but not in the sense of "one has a wooden pit". instead, in the sense of "what do the trees do differently"
asciilifeform: remember, i don't deal in inexpressables. or i'd be hanging at the dirigible club with mircea_popescu, and not here in this ditch
asciilifeform: but i was asking, what they do differently.
mircea_popescu: listen to prophet, be entertained ; follow strategist, survive.
asciilifeform: is it that the latter tells you what to do ?
asciilifeform: so what's the operative difference ?
kakobrekla: yeah, his talks have been a carbon copy for a very long time on all the confs.
asciilifeform: beats the shit out of everyone else.
asciilifeform: actually rms is the most consistently and accurately long-term doom prophet i'm personally aware of.
mircea_popescu: well wtf, i get the same results from my dog. i don't make the dog a strategist. FOR THIS REASON.
mircea_popescu: oh, he "didn't know" what was in front of him ? that's the definition of blindness. and he didn't know WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ?
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 14:55:06; mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.
mircea_popescu: well no, actually, it's moreover related to
kakobrekla: if i had to guess mps argument here; 'shit doesnt know/care about itself bathing in shit, only actual person does'
asciilifeform: but did rms even know that he was bathing in shit ?
asciilifeform: but i suspect that mircea_popescu is operating on the 'spoon of shit in barrel of wine' theorem
mircea_popescu: but, back to the original point : catastrophic blindness and strategic worthlessness. the embodiment thereof, this is it.
mircea_popescu: well, it's an opportunity for him to make nice for 500 bux.
asciilifeform: some intern, likely, told him a five minute spiel re: bitcoin
phf: well, it's an opportunity for him to get his talking points in
asciilifeform: rms, as i understand, goes to all kinds of crud ('phreeee palestine!1111') to play at relevancy
mircea_popescu: and i sold them no such license.
mircea_popescu: you have to BUY A LICENSE to run a public house and be protected by this "publichouse" theory.
mircea_popescu: not how this works.
asciilifeform: public toilet is, well, public
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell you what, if maddof has a talk there as well as obama, it'll be the ponzi conference.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean street urchins quite literally, the sort of mostly-nude eastern flesh that'd follow europeans begging for candy, either as a freebie or in trade for butthole.
kakobrekla: afaik it wasnt 'glbse conference' per se, however nefario had a talk there as well as stallman. https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/speakers / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6Q--zqroM / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPD_YSQ--k
mircea_popescu: stallman has reduced himself to the position where street urchins are pulling the "i'm paying you, stand up to attention" trick on him
mircea_popescu: to put this in proper perspective : "genjix" is the garbage-eating, underage-cousin-pimping, imbecile on a stick amir taaki.
mircea_popescu: the guy was actually there.
asciilifeform: so we're taking nefario's word for it ?
asciilifeform: some folks just spend longer time walking around as a zombie before burial, than others.
asciilifeform: r (1997) and was the last straw... '
asciilifeform: 'Unpleasant surprises followed. As leader of the GNU Project, Stallman experienced the first fork of Emacs in 1991. As we will see below by 1993, the GNU Project's completely lost the initiative due to an inability to deliver a working POSIX kernel. In March, 1993, a Wired magazine article by Simson Garfinkel described the GNU Project as "bogged down". GCC fork occurred a several years late
asciilifeform: e was almost 40 and his best years as a programmer were in the past. Programming is a young men game and such grants usually are a clear signs of a starting decay.
trinque: playing the role of slovenly hacker guy who chews his toenails
asciilifeform: 'In 1990, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation granted Stallman a MacArthur fellowship. The grant, a $240,000 which is more then $500K in 2000 dollars provided Stallman with a source of income and health insurance for five years. That made it less necessary to do consulting work to support himself. Although RMS now can devote more time to the writing GNU software, but actually h
trinque: rms strikes me as a few rounds of imitation back from poettering and that ethereum kid
mircea_popescu: enough illustration - he went to fucking glbse conference.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ridiculousness of form aside, i can readily see the twin point that rms is catastrophically blind and strategically worthless.
phf: back against the wall
phf: is that drepper quote?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was in the log.
asciilifeform: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed ... '
mircea_popescu: wtf is with all these urls with spaces in them
asciilifeform: pretty sure this was in the logz at some point
asciilifeform: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/prophet.shtml#An attempt of hostile takeover of glib << l0l drepper gold
mircea_popescu: also, the proper quote is "modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture". gotta get that MODERN in there, it is a key element of the belief system of idiots that the problems they encounter are novel.
punkman: "Here at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he has made his home - literally, sleeping for 13 years on a narrow cot in a cubbyhole that resembles a nest, littered with candy wrappers, food containers, papers and magazines. Garbage tumbles off every surface, piles up in corners, allowing only a narrow track through which to navigate a life."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform with the axe.
punkman: ah there'[s more http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/index.shtml
asciilifeform: 'his own bizarre technical ideas'.
asciilifeform: 'real-world technical issues and the bigger picture.'
asciilifeform: stung from all sides by vermin who want him to 'get with the times', is it any wonder rms turned to stone ?
asciilifeform: ^ rms when seen from the gnome pit
asciilifeform: e new decision to be worth anything.