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pete_dushenski: since when do ibizans go to pamplona ? ;)
mircea_popescu: with tools like these, who needs a horde of stampeding bulls on ecstasy.
trinque: I will need at least a sendrawtxn command soon lest I go mad with deedbot-, will most likely take a crack at it soon
trinque: to live in such days as the era of software!
mircea_popescu: trinque> so then they all hit the same bug and chew their blockchains at once << no because heterogenous :D
pete_dushenski: shinohai: there's always (whisper it) bc.info. from there you can zip off the coins to whatever live wallet or other address you might so desire
shinohai: Must have way to import cold/paper wllets
shinohai: Now it works ok as a wallet if you use the generated keys, but that isn't practical on a live node.
trinque: I used funkenstein's, worked but the wallet's still unusable
trinque: unless there are two
trinque: pete_dushenski: I think it was herr funkenstein
shinohai: No I was using the pywallet method I have used before. Today it just decided it didn't like it.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: and were you using polarbeard patch for the privkey import ?
pete_dushenski: shinohai: may we all benefit from your mistake! /me scurries to make backups of backups
shinohai: I didn't even get to the rescan part, just db error :/
trinque: takes quite a long time
BingoBoingo: shinohai: That generally slows down node for entire blockchain rescan
shinohai: I have a UPS that runs node. My problem occured today when I attempted to import a private key into wallet.dat
asciilifeform: trinque: so have at least 1 on a workstation that gets backed up normally.
trinque: so then they all hit the same bug and chew their blockchains at once
asciilifeform: srsly, rsyncing the blockchain, wtfwhy
shinohai: I'm up to 2 nodes, but one is remote so isn't feasible to sync that way at this time I guess. Hopefully project budget allows for an extra dedi box this year sometimes.
asciilifeform: run moar trb.
asciilifeform: and quite likely the easist variant.
asciilifeform: i have 3-4 trb nodez going, just on house lan, at all times, so backup sorta solves itself.
shinohai: This time I am backing up the entire .bitcoin folder, space be damned
mircea_popescu: (make sure yo uonly rsync if you stopped it, tho!)
mircea_popescu: but yes, what trinque said is a very useful protective measure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between kernel-mediated closedown and crash is that there's better handling of buffers.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then we will fend off the second round of rats with sticks
trinque: never a bad thing to have a weekly cron which stops trb gently, rsync's blockchain elsewhere, restarts
asciilifeform: shinohai: i think it is interesting that i've been kill -9 'ing trb since day 1 and never had this problem.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for users, sure. i found my own workarounds last month when i misattributed tx propogation failure to bitcoinj instead of bitbet taint. but for businesses ?
shinohai: I am cursing bitcoin today - had my first trb database crash ... evidently I did not back up *everything* required and must now start my first node from scratch.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Practical recourse was discussed in older threads
mircea_popescu: something like that.
pete_dushenski: if i may summarise the last 24 hours of logs, which i must say were eminently enjoyable save the lack of practical recourse discussed : bitcoin remains the world's worst payment network... except for all the others. and even still, not by much. ☟︎
deedbot-: [Qntra] Government Accountability Office Declines To Offer Opinion On Worthless USG Finances - http://qntra.net/2016/03/government-accountability-office-declines-to-offer-opinion-on-worthless-usg-finances/
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, this is pronounced with maximally puckered lips)
asciilifeform: crocodile swimming in the river, sees monkeys beating a hippo savagely.
asciilifeform: this one's new to me, but i recall a similar.
mircea_popescu: so they beat the shit out of him again
mircea_popescu: next the two meet him, they ask for a cigarette. which he gives them. so they ask for a light. rabbit is all like "sure, what'd you like, match, ligther ?"
mircea_popescu: so the rabbit buys himself a beret.
mircea_popescu: so wolf and fox walk around the forest and they see a rabbit. fox : "let's beat the shit out of this loser" wolf : "we need a reason..." fox : "we'll ask him where's his beret... and if he has none, we beat the shit out of him!"
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2014 01:31:44; mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom.
mircea_popescu: which one was that ?
asciilifeform: i only recall the hedgehog.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the joke with the rabbit and the bear ? the one with the beret
mircea_popescu: family - less than thrilled.
asciilifeform: not familiar with the case, but plenty of this in ww2 ?
mircea_popescu: recall the case of that woman that had a child with the dead ?
asciilifeform: (though, in pathological cases, the dead can rise again, say chetty wrote down her key somewhere, for whatever reason, and it is found)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes seems exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: yeah doesn't seem the same story to me either.
asciilifeform: lost - can reappear. theoretically.
ben_vulpes: a that
asciilifeform: i might be mentally overextending traditions from the meat world, but wouldn't a lost key be different from a dead lord's in the sense where a man lost at sea differs from one buried with witnesses ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't there some guy with a lucrative eth contract that lost his key ?
ben_vulpes: where in the log might inquiring minds read this caselaw, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: now for that, we do have caselaw.
PeterL: so really, asciilifeform's question is: what happens to shares if the key is lost?
asciilifeform: (just as if you lose your key, you are dead, though still breathing)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's thing doesn't care about what's in deedbot-, does it?
mircea_popescu: i could see the deedbot will thing.
asciilifeform: if somebody has the key, 'you' are still alive...
PeterL: put the dispensation of your shares into a will, stick it in deedbot?
ben_vulpes: and only if the estate controls the key!
PeterL: asciilifeform presumably they go to the estate of the decesed?
mircea_popescu: in general, unspecified, in particular cases, as agreed with the previously living.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, what happens to shares owned by the dead ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've been working on that thing for two days in 30 second installments in between nutty bitcoin shit that shouldn't happen anyway.
mircea_popescu: awww alf, sorry to disappoint!
mircea_popescu: trinque doesn't like that there's multiples ? or what did i do wrong ?
mircea_popescu: in other news at 4:42 - all money systems significantly more broken than previously realised.
trinque: As long as they keep their PINs secret, they should be safe from fraud. For this master plan to work, though, the IRS would also have to keep the PINs secret. << oh my god the win
mircea_popescu: anyone writing up that irs story for qntra ? juices flowing every which way lol
mircea_popescu: this shit is hard to do!
PeterL: wasn't the bitcoin foundation going to produce a protocol spec at some point, or is that on the list after the reference implementation is more developed?
mircea_popescu: spiders in 1st case you handle on a case by case basis. organized spider hive, you bring out a flamethrowing tank and sear it.
assbot: The IRS is using a system that was hacked to protect victims of a hack—and it was just hacked - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1nietXu )
mircea_popescu: there's a significant difference between "this cave is infested with spiders" and "this cave is home to a spider queen the size of a camper van". at least to my eyes.
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 19:14:47; mircea_popescu: that's tghe problem here. something wasn't good for an entire week that suddenly became good. this selective-bitcoin is in no sense bitcoin,
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420479 < sad to see it took you so long to notice/learn this. has been so since day 1. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: give the show away?
mircea_popescu: can give the show away etc.
mircea_popescu: because you can't measure all things at the same time, basically.
ben_vulpes: because "from whom to rent"?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you pay to have a block mined including your transaction before sending the dup?
mircea_popescu: PeterL that's an anachronistic argument. merely because they included it once B, you infer that they would have included it wherher B or non-B. this both fails tgo explain all the points prior to B that didn't include it (standard lifetime of mempool tx is about half the interval contemplated here) and the fact that you're drawing in the conclusion in the presumptions.
asciilifeform: and it's 'grandpa of the iron ricebowl' in cn.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure you could live with it. but that's a different question.
mircea_popescu: i don't want a fucking big-brother-bitcoin-from-china-san to pray to.
PeterL: but if there is wait-time-weighting being done by miners, then sitting for a week would make the transaction viable when it was not before
mircea_popescu: as opposed to prayer technology, say.
mircea_popescu: this is the core of shipwrighting as a science
mircea_popescu: same ocean will sink same boat every time and float same boat every time.
asciilifeform: where a ship can sink from matters unrelated to what is on board, but with known chance.
asciilifeform: and if it even worked like the ocean,
mircea_popescu: and trivially can be shown to map exactly on paypal-usd.