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mp_en_viaje: but from
the pov of sane man -- everyone's in for having been caught, which is a stupid
thing
to do .
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 22:30 asciilifeform: i imagine all of
the holes look quite similar from mp_en_viaje's olympus
tho -- sorta like stones on
the ground, mountains
to ant, all look ~same from man's height
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, quite exactly. a re-read of
the ingenious nobleman sir don quixote de la mancha
through
this critical lens might be most informative. note how panza is ~not hired~.
mp_en_viaje: now,
there's nothing wrong with one who just happens
to be a hero. EXCEPT if he has such poor grasp of money, inkeeps start laughing at him.
mp_en_viaje: market is
that situation where you can price
things.
the exact opposite of heroics.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why
the fuck didn't i
think of
that.
mp_en_viaje: in other words, market is what's left once
the minimax approach was defeated. much like water doesn't burn -- because it has burned already -- minimaxing in context of money, language, human relationships does not work.
mp_en_viaje: not even a matter of predictable (as in, will be defeated in future). it happens
to attempt
to go agains
tthe specific gradient of what
the whole system does. market ~altogether exists~ so as
to
close the 0-infinity gap mp_en_viaje: in markets,
the minimax strategy is universally inept, specifically because you lose
through average losses not
through catastrophe.
mp_en_viaje: this strategy works sometimes, but it never works in
the context of used cars, because ~many other agents played
the game already~.
mp_en_viaje: this is
the strategy of blondy :
the wildest possible edge of "40Gs" as a price would be if
the G's were
those found in Kellog's.
to ~insure herself against
the maximum loss where
that's what
the yactually were~, she proceeds
to cut
them out, and see.
mp_en_viaje: minimaxing works fine in engineering and d&d. it is not a workable strategy in energy exchange, be it in
the form of boat-on-sea or in
the form of picking-up-chick or in
the form of find-jerb etc.
mp_en_viaje: this is fine and dandy, but you have
to look at
the
thing, and evaluate it, and improve it
through
the usual rational process. rather
than pretend it's not even
there.
mp_en_viaje: which is
the substance of my objection :
that on certain
topics, which aren't randomly distributerd but structurally related
to money (in
the sense of social interaction) you
tend
to apply such wildly inadequate macroexpansions.
mp_en_viaje: tv show. not really : blondy public woman, very dim, decides she wants car, asks how much, is
told 40G's, starts cutting out
the letter g from cereal boxes
mp_en_viaje: because it
takes a certain dose of insanity
to
think
the equation you solved was
the equation
that was being presented. you recall
that episone in married with children when christina applegate was saving cereal box K's
to buy car ?
mp_en_viaje: nevermind what
to disagree. stop sliding around all
the
time, it's like you have a cuntprocess in your head,
the moment money starts being discussed you're suddenly an octopus on ice.
mp_en_viaje: (ioan voda caragea famous 1818s ruler, escaped
to
transylvania with his loot)
mp_en_viaje: well, broker more
than breaks even. so he does have
the caragea argument, "i'm
trying
to steal enough before
they steal it back
to
take off"
mp_en_viaje: man who makes 1mn a year on wall street has
THE EXCUSE.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, "if you're not making bank on wallstreet, you have no excuse
to be
there ; and even
then, it's an excuse."
mp_en_viaje: but
the fact
that
the man selling you a job is using some "unrelated" accolytes
to collect
the cost of job, and
the fact man selling you job pretends he's collecting "rent" which is
totally no cost of job makes no fucking difference. and
the fact man selling you job
tries
to pretend you gotta buy it,
to "have status", much like engagement ring salesmen
try
to pretend, also make no difference.
mp_en_viaje: like a pair of shoes, which is WHAT
THEY ARE. a job isn't who
the fuck you are, a job is ~something you bought~. like a
tv set or a couch.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes,
the discussion was aboout
trying
to help him evaluate jobs.
mp_en_viaje: and yes,
this happens
to be
the
two-pronged approach of socialism :
tryina make
the job about you, and
tryna making
the payment about something else.
mp_en_viaje: if you lived off photosynthesis,
the scamjob still stays a scamjob. because whether job is scam or not ~is about
the job~. NOT about you, in any capacity.
mp_en_viaje: where you live makes no difference!!! for as long as "the job" is something which does not pay enough
to buy ~house~,
THEREFORE you pay
to go. wherever you live, whatever your conditions.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes,
this is
the difference. job == where
they pay you
to go ; scamjob == where you pay
to go
there.
mp_en_viaje: i pointed out
to you
that
this is not a valid response, you ~moved on
to attacking me~. guess what, wehther i'm rich or poor, happy or unhappy,
tall or short, it is STILL not valid
to go into a discussion of 1+2 when i point out
to you you did something stupid.
mp_en_viaje: i pointed out
to you
that
this is not something
thinking man does, you went
to argue
that 1+1=2.
mp_en_viaje: this is an invalid basis for an intervention ; not something
thinking man does.
mp_en_viaje: you intervened
to point out
that you live in a scamhouse.
mp_en_viaje: i was explaining
to
the inquiring mind how
to price a supposed job :
take an actual house, see what it costs, see how it figures against
the supposed job.
the process will illuminate whether it's a real job or a scam job.
mp_en_viaje: then got called on it, and instead of fixing
the headgoange, went right into cuntmode.
mp_en_viaje: we were discussing a
thing. you came up with some cuntlogic.
mp_en_viaje: what expand ?
the expansion's afuckingbove.
mp_en_viaje: stop sliding over
this sort of
thing, because it's rotting your brain.
mp_en_viaje: now stop squirming about.
there's no squirming about. you made a claim, which is false.
mp_en_viaje: this has been you, since you've been
talking about money.
mp_en_viaje: then everyone : "so
take it apart, reproduce
the pieces on larger scale" ; alf : "oh noex, my
toy choper can't be opened, it's magical"
mp_en_viaje: then everyone else : "so get a bunch of choppers, if one lifts a little a lot will lift a lot" alf : "oh noes, only can exist one, my
toy chopper is magical"
mp_en_viaje: look at it : " incidentally fwiw
the shack asciilifeform lives in , would cost ~2y of his pay
to buy. but i ~dun want~
to buy it" === "my
toy chopper DOES put MUCH MORE
thrust
than it weighs, but what of it, i can't ride it"
mp_en_viaje: this sort of idiocy has been
the stock in
trade of your non-technical contribution for
the past ... soon
to be a decade, holy shit!
mp_en_viaje: and you did not say "this is
true of my
toy chopper also". you said ~exactly
the opposite~ : "my
toy chopper DOES put MUCH MORE
thrust
than it weighs, but what of it, i can't ride it".
mp_en_viaje: mno. a : "here is job". b : "this job does not pay enough
to buy house" ; a. "but shoebox also house" b : "your scamhouse doesn't make your scamjob a job"
mp_en_viaje: to arrive at exposing
the "oh,
this also job,
this also salary" fraud.
mp_en_viaje: precisely
this sort of substitution, "oh, shoebox also house, hoofpaste also hamburger, etc" socialism is being rejected.
mp_en_viaje: yes.but cost ~of one of
the actual houses~. NOT ~of such a hole as plebes might inhabit~
mp_en_viaje: t'd
take
to buy a respective portion of
the finite
turkeys of
the land.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 22:24 asciilifeform: incidentally fwiw
the shack asciilifeform lives in , would cost ~2y of his pay
to buy. but i ~dun want~
to buy it, why would i want
to buy a decaying cardboard-an'-siding
thing.
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914454 <<
talking
to you is often enough an exercise in "let's see what
this intelligent but illiterate kid deliberately failed
to notice in
the source material / replaced with constructed story from head". house
there linked built ~century ago, brick. specificaly because is not a matter of "what'd it
take
to buy rabbit-dwelling shoebox in which subjective rabbit lives". it's a matter of what i
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, diplomats don't pay income
taxes.
mod6: trinque: We'll get
there.
trinque: I'd love
to see a
trb ebuild come of
this mod6
mod6: Anyway, I'm gonna grab some food here. I'll work on a write up
this weekend among other
things. o7
mod6: Otherwise,
the 'rotor.sh' and 'rotor_bitcoin_only.sh' are not actually utilized. So we could cut
those loose
too, if desired.
mod6: I hope I'm not doing anything redundant really.
The Makefiles itself
take care of
the compilation of Boost/BDB/OpenSSL.
The one
thing
that I still need from
the rotor.tar.gz is 'openssl-004-musl-termios.patch'
mod6: I've
taken notes, I'll write up something on my blog as soon as I can. Just wanted
to share
the progress here. Obv. bunch more
testing, etc.
mod6: it does seem
that way, ya.
mod6: asciilifeform: I changed all of
the CC, CXX, LD
to point at all of
the binaries located in
the
tarball I extracted from
the build of Ave1's GNAT, like
this one: /opt/20180924/x86_64-linux-musl-native/bin/gcc