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mircea_popescu: i dunno about your or anyone else's experience, but i personally have spent my entire life
to date in
the company of people whose
takes were fundamentally irreconcilable. ever since a wee
tyke doing double
time between
the upper crups exclusive school and
the criminal underworld.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> purely for exploratory reasons - how far are you willing
to
take
the gossipd ? << how about quantum money ?
mircea_popescu: and why would
they reconcile ever if
they met ? have you seen nude women
together before ?
mircea_popescu: why would
they ever meet ?
they're not meeting. ask your pet.
mircea_popescu: because B mined on
the basis of
the chain
that it saw ; and A idem.
there's no guarantee
these would stay coherent, and so
they didn';t.
mircea_popescu: not being a superposition of eigenstates myself, but a resolved one, i can't both credit and not credit
the 5btc. would seem i have
to choose one.
mircea_popescu: now - person X comes
to me with a 5 BTC which he wants
to spend on milk. B sees
the 5 as valid ; A, as invalid. i know both A and B. does
this mean i have
to choose ?
mircea_popescu: ok,
take
the nonsense practically :
there's A, as illustrated yesterday,
the group of six nude ladies ;
there's B, b-a. i hope you folks aren't nude atm ?
mircea_popescu: so
the option is "either create a money
that drives a government, or else create a money
that drives a crazy" ?
mircea_popescu: so basically, forking is +ev for participants until everyone's on his own chain. how does anyone
transact
this assperger coin ?
mircea_popescu: you're supposed
to be a stabilizing influence in my life, world! wtf is
this!
mircea_popescu: i don't expect
this realisation
to be within common reach.
mircea_popescu: this notion of money is disjunct enough from
the commonly held
to be scary.
mircea_popescu: ie,
THEY
think i paid you 5 btc, but
THOSE OTHERS see
that same 5 btc going
to him. and well.. it's just how it is.
mircea_popescu: the [fundamentally centralzising] question of "tell me
the one and only god-given
truth as
to ownership" dissolves in a cloud of acceptances.
mircea_popescu: purely for exploratory reasons - how far are you willing
to
take
the gossipd ?
mircea_popescu: this is what most molds do under environmental stress - which is exactly what
the environment was designed
to do
to
them.
mircea_popescu: not so. bitcoin had 3
types of animal, minerS, nodes, owners. notwitstanding
the very problematic weakness of nodes,
the minerS unicellular molds merged in one major piece of dogvomit.
mircea_popescu: you're kicking
the can. -ev for
the player +ev for
the group, we're buiolding
the soviets omfg fuckme
mircea_popescu: ie, humans have a very lengthy, selected ability
to centralize against
the possibility of a nice world.
mircea_popescu: lemme say
that schelling points exist PRECISELY because ~irrational~ behaviour is an UNDEFEATABLE solution
to your matrix.
mircea_popescu: and i'm
telling you,
the solution
to a broken knee is not
to break an elbow.
mircea_popescu: trust me, unlike you
that doesn't play, i ~created~ a homeostatic game world.
mircea_popescu: the problem is
that margin-driven mining creates centralisation necessarily.
mircea_popescu: so yes, bitcoin does suffer from game
theoretical poor design, but
this problem specifically can not be resolved by "adding another bug somewhere else,
they'll cancel out".
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense. you needn't balance
the desire of syphilis
to defect from syphilisdom by injecting my with
tb ffs.
mircea_popescu: males
trying
to get
together
to gangrape individual females ; females getting
together
trying
to create wailer choruses
to keep
the male group at bay, everything we don't like about society reduces readily
to "it's not made up of individuals", ie, poolmined.
mircea_popescu: the chief problem of human society is pool collusion in
this view.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: alpha wolf kills all
the other males and
takes women for himself
mircea_popescu: ipso definition, individual women in any gendered species are in
the pool of womanhood ; and respectively males.
thestringpuller: a coin which requires nuclear power plants worth of energy
to mine single blocks
thestringpuller: ah
this makes me wanna finish my fictional story about plutonium coin
mircea_popescu: the weakness in
the pow and
the poor mining/relayer design created perverse incentives not directly apparent in
the design phase, however.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin was fine, and would continue
to be fine, as is, for any maxint.
mircea_popescu: i'll put some boxes
to it as a seed, whosoever wants
to do
the same can do
the same and it can
take it from
there.
mircea_popescu: if mining works correctly (ie, as he naively intended it would)
the initial allocation as designed is fine.
thestringpuller: for next experiment: remove satoshi and his dope from
the equation completely
mircea_popescu: and
there is a very good vp on
the
table. gossip + proper hashes and ciphers + correct pow + proper relay/mine design + + +
mircea_popescu: we needed a 2nd for a long
time anyway, wtf is
this ripple eth ltc doge bs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for your own peace of mind : i would ~definitely~ support a beedog coin, irrespective of how cartel mining impasse is resolved or
the eventual fate of current-bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: if you get
them in one package, should prolly be "all of
them", ie a crate. esp if no hurry.
nubbins`: anyone else wants NSA
tees for cost of shipping, send me a line
mircea_popescu: so you want
to have a proper meld here, gossipd-bitcoin