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mircea_popescu: possibly on account of all
the heralds of
that idiocy getting shot.
nubbins`: danielpbarron
there were
too many iterations of deedbot so i rolled my own. i can share
the code, but it should be compatible
dooglus: but ... but ...
the protocol is whatever core does! didn't you hear?
dooglus: this isn't creating
the protocol limit of 2MB -
that's elsewhere
mircea_popescu: and any "node" running
that crap is ipso facto and for
this non-compliant with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it just
turned a mild magic number ("get all
the headers no less
than 2000) into a fucking protocol limit. "only get 2k".
this is utter nonsense.
☟︎ dooglus: see commit 85ea8b4f4380dac803d43cd0b7829b107cc09e38 in core : "Limit getheaders
to a hard 2000" - fixes
the issue
there
nubbins`: then daring
to enter into a conversation about
technical issues
nubbins`: struggling harder
than mod6 was just
to get a gentoo install running
nubbins`: you'll find
the
text for section 3.2 (h) under section 3.2 (h)
nubbins`: oh, you need a link
to
the bitbet listing agreement?
mircea_popescu: fortunately with
that asshole mp killing moore's law, not
terrible danger of pogos ever not being worth
the 10 bux or w/e
they cost.
hanbot: nubbins' what again? didn't you just bitch at someone over not giving a link
to what
they claim happened?
take a breather, preferably a long one, and figure your own shit out. you're smelling.
nubbins`: one has
to wonder if bitbet is using
this boojum in production
nubbins`: which oddly confirmed almost right away because i blew a whole quarter on
the fees
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I wound up buying 3
thanks
to mats, had considered more lol
nubbins`: dooglus: are you saying
that
trb nodes are eventually ignored by core nodes simply due
to
trb passing enormously large messages?
mircea_popescu: i sitll have crates of
the
things in storage
that will one day sing.
shinohai: I still have faith
that one day my pogo will sing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well.. actually
that's still
the idea, just we ended up running around with all sorts of subquests
that
turned mainline.
mircea_popescu: dooglus yeah. it's fully encapsulated, initial idea was
to run it on pogos.
nubbins`: <+hanbot>you fucked
that up, what, you figure more spewing is
the answer? << you don't seem
to get
that me spelling
the entire
thing out again in long form is zero on my list of priorities, but i appreciate you switch-hitting for mp because it'd really look silly if he responded himself
trinque: dooglus: yep, it is using buildroot
to have a deterministic build environment
dooglus: oh, I was also wondering - is it normal
that
the
trb build process downloads and builds
the linux kernel?
☟︎ assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for dooglus with note: ran one of
the best dice sites of all
times, before being
torpedoed by fiat government posturing.
trb
testing.
mircea_popescu: !rate dooglus 2 ran one of
the best dice sites of all
times, before being
torpedoed by fiat government posturing.
trb
testing.
dooglus: GetDistanceBack() is huge, causing it
to
try requesting 100k's of headers at once
dooglus: commenting out
that part fixed it for me -
they
talk happily now
trinque: could also be
the malleus patch if
that version of prb issues heathen commands
mircea_popescu: it'd be interesting if you managed
to reproduce it in
the lab.
mircea_popescu: something which may be related if not outright
this is known here as blackholing
dooglus: that's why it's getting disconnected. both on
the same machine
dooglus: core doesn't like messages bigger
than 2MB, and
trb sends ~7MB messages
mircea_popescu: hm. and you have
these
two running on
the same machine, or within a local net ?
dooglus: I notice core won't
talk
to it for long before cutting it off
dooglus: I was looking at
trb, and
trying
to sync it from my bitcoin core node
trinque: there is a scientific way
to criticize a claim.
hanbot: you fucked
that up, what, you figure more spewing is
the answer?
trinque: this is what I meant about
the level of discourse. I have not declared myself a "fan" of anything.
hanbot: nubbins' your projectile posturing isn't particularly useful. mp
told you, i count
two?
three
times? yest how
to form your
thoughts into something reviewable.
nubbins`: unfortunately, mp's gonna have
to wait until he catches up on
the logs
to read
that ^
nubbins`: in fact,
the entire S.BBET february statement is fraudulent, based on
this
nubbins`: (bitbet, being a 0-asset corporation, did not own
the funds contained in
transaction B;
they were ostensibly owned by mp. any funds disbursed via B are not
the responsibility of bitbet in any way, shape, or form)
nubbins`: not sure how kakobrekla feels about
that, but if i worked for a company where my boss gave away 17 btc of his own money and
then recouped it from
the company's dividends, i'd call
the cops
nubbins`: did you guys also like how
the 17 btc of mp's own money
that he lost is going
to be
taken from shareholder dividends?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: people didn't use
to split coinbases because
they preferred
to sell
them, for 103% or w/e.
mircea_popescu: or not is dubious, but
that aside pirate's gpumax certainly played a major early role.
mircea_popescu: adlai
there's some historical charge in
there : bitcoin's first and largest ponzi ran a "mining" whatever, for
the obvious and
transparent purpose of acquiring freshly minted coins
to pay out
the idiot "investors".
this was a major contributor
to
the early crystalisation of what came
to be known later as "mining pools" which is what eventually in due
time coallesced into
today's problem. whether it was avoidable at all
nubbins`: i was forced by my own sanity
to actually call
this one for what it was
nubbins`: i know everyone else likes
to just let idiocy happen
trinque: regardless, it's a fine way
to go forward.
nubbins`: anyone else who wishes
to bring up
the subject of shameful discourse is welcome
to revisit
the logs where i began speaking on
this
topic
nubbins`: rather
than blankly stating it
to be so
nubbins`: preferably with, y'know, a link
to where it happened
nubbins`: still waiting for someone besides mp
to agree
that
this is what happened
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:59:17; mircea_popescu: sturle's
theory fell apart upon examination in chan.
nubbins`: trinque agreed. mp's ludicrously false statements set
the bar really low
mircea_popescu: so yes, for
the sake of keeping
the record straight - it is not possible for miners
to include my (high-S, btw!)
txn in blocks within 2:55 if in fact running a chain head delayed reporting scheme. either it got
turned off or it never existed in
the first place, anyone's call.
trinque: who
the fuck cares what amuses you, and how does
that illuminate
the issue?
nubbins`: and is so hotly ashamed
that he's resorted
to
this
nubbins`: i actually
think it's beyond mirthful
that mp lost 17 btc of bitbet's money
nubbins`: idgaf about some 17btc
transaction, only
to point out
that if someone
touts
targeted collusion as
the most likely answer,
they're probably selling something
mircea_popescu: this is novel, even for 600byte
txn with above-average fees and 10^10 size inputs aged halfyear+
nubbins`: i should just state
the obvious explanation and let whoever wants
to sing about cartel collusion do so
danielpbarron: nubbins`, you should write it up for
the sake of changing
the minds of people who are so far not impressed with your unsubstantiated claims in
the channel
nubbins`: a dime. actually nine american cents at
the
time of
the incident.
nubbins` has never, ever, ever had a stuck
tx and is baffled as
to why anyone w/ money ever would
nubbins`: danielpbarron why in
the fuck would i do
that? i'm not so cheap
that i can't afford a dime for fees
nubbins`: given
that miners who run node farms aren't fucking idiots, it seems implausible
to assume
that halting rebroadcast of lowest-priority
tx's until
the backlog is cleared is not a
thing
that would happen
danielpbarron: you got a blog, go investigate
the age of flood inputs and write it up; i'll read it
davout: bot was down last night
too obviously
nubbins`: given
that it's
trivial
to create a large backlog of old coins, it seems implausible
to
think
that mp's relatively new coins could not simultaneously be high enough priority
to be kept in mempool but low enough priority
that it's one of
the last
tx's
to be cleared
nubbins`: given
that any rational miner would save old coins, it seems implausible
to
think
that a small number of miners would be unable
to create a huge mempool backlog
davout: mircea_popescu:
these weren't me
nubbins`: given
that age is a factor in propagating
tx's, it seems implausibly short-sighted
to assume
that miners don't keep a portion of
their earnings untouched
to build up age
davout: mircea_popescu: not sure what you're referring
to?
adlai: (in which case, it *helps*
the bottom line, sparing
the cost of payout
txen)
nubbins`: why do extra work when
the
timer's counting down? adding a single extra output could mean
the difference between mining a block and not
nubbins`: ;;echo enjoy following
the convo
davout: danielpbarron: also splitting coinbases directly hurts
the miner's bottom line
gribble: sounds like you
thought
this whole ignore
thing
through about as much as you
thought
through your cartel conspiracy
nubbins`: ;;echo sounds like you
thought
this whole ignore
thing
through about as much as you
thought
through your cartel conspiracy
adlai: p2pool does
this,
too