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nubbins`: as
to why, i find his worldview repulsive
nubbins`: asciilifeform if we're calling spades spades, i
think he's a piece of shit, but one has
to wonder what weight MY opinion holds in such matters
nubbins`: asciilifeform agreed which is why i
think pete annoys me so much
nubbins`: put some wet food on
the other side of
the hoop and dole out a few head scratches
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'll venture a guess
that it's
the same way mp
trains derps
to stick around and parrot
the party line
PeterL: figure out which way
they are running, jump in front and say "this way, boys!"?
nubbins`: asciilifeform i waited until adulthood
to start raising hell, nobody listens
to kids. but i smell a story coming
nubbins`: didn't even have
to pay bingo
to stick around, just bought him a domain and some
text-only
trinque: I don't get
these shots at mod6; he wrote up a fine guide
to building a gentoo...
nubbins`: yep. and a quick "you got it buddy"
to mod6 and "you're really good at
typing
things up, you're wasting your
talents at
the loading bay"
to dpb and you've got
two more sets of undies smelling like mp's dick
nubbins`: or mod6, by all accounts a great guy, head of
TRB, almost quit in
the first week because he couldn't get a gentoo install up and running.
PeterL: are Canadians allowed
to
talk about each other so impolitely?
nubbins`: take
the situation of poor bitcoinpete: his underwear probably smells like mp's dick
nubbins`: but by and large,
this place is an intellectual wasteland
nubbins`: i could count
the individuals i'd consider intellectual peers on one hand
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 22:35:15; asciilifeform: except i admit
that i only expected 'this'
to happen after cia murdered mircea_popescu and
took his coin...
nubbins`: PeterL i don't know how much of
the logs you've read, but it's mostly derps
PeterL: and if we blindly follow him
then he knows we are all derps?
nubbins`: oh,
that
type of drill, not a power
tool
PeterL: asciilifeform a scammer drill?
to see if we call out an negrate scammers in a
timely fasion?
nubbins`: PeterL only if you own 25% of
the shares
PeterL: If I send a
txn
to
the addresses listed on a bitbet page, will
that expense be put on
the bitbet books
too?
nubbins`: TMSR~ can't afford
to harbour scammers or fraudsters
nubbins`: i guess we should put his lordship
to a vote in a few days if he hasn't resolved
things satisfactorily
PeterL: asciilifeform I was suprised when he decided
to stick it onto bitbet's books
nubbins`: especially considering
the shitstorm
that
this egregious fraud has blown up
nubbins`: maybe he can defraud bitbet investors
too
PeterL: maybe mircea_popescu can
tell us how his own implementation works?
nubbins`: if
there are any omissions or corrections
to be made
to my summation above, now would be
the
time
BingoBoingo: 'replace by fee' USED
to be how double spends were
typically resolved by miner implementations
nubbins`: so we can explain why A1 was held for so long before being mined, and we can explain why A2-A4 vanished, and we can explain why mp
thought
that sending B was a good idea, but we now see
that it was simply not a good idea because mp did not understand
the payment protocol as well as he
thought he did, and now we've got a 17 btc fraudulent expense on bitbet's ledger
PeterL: if
trb sees A1 and A2, which does it keep?
kakobrekla: 'replace by fee' is a new
thing
that has not been ported
nubbins`: and a desire
to not propagate shit
tx's handily explains why A1 was retained but not relayed by nodes, agreed?
PeterL: does
trb do replace by fee?
nubbins`: kakobrekla seems like you've got a good understanding of
the likelihood of each explanation
nubbins`: anyone who supports
this gibberish shames
themselves
nubbins`: seriously. "the stupidest
tx ever was slow
to propagate,
therefore all payouts are suspended"
kakobrekla: i dont
think
this will be a problem. notice
the 'double-check' guy from comments.
nubbins`: "i have
to push my own
tx because bitbet can't afford a
tx fee"
nubbins`: most of
the users will cry "this place is fucked"
nubbins`: asciilifeform
the "what instead" has been stated
to be "use a fee of 9 cents" more
than once.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform see
the agreed upon solution for future bets payouts
davout: asciilifeform:
try harder?
nubbins`: this is like ordering pizza from 2 different shops, eating
the one
that shows up first, and acting surprised when you see both charged
to your credit card
kakobrekla: asciilifeform certainly not sign more parallel
transactions
to same effect and broadcast
them like nothing happened
nubbins`: so A1 and A2 were bad judgment calls, we can all agree
there
davout: asciilifeform: it's
the "manage
to get mined"
that's
the important bit here
PeterL: nubbins`> go
to qntra article and see how long it
takes for someone
to even MENTION
the obvious cheapo explanation << if you look at
the
timestamps, it was just a couple hours before we started complaining, which was pretty much as soon as I got around
to reading
the article in question
jurov: asciilifeform: why was he ever sending zerofee
tx?
davout: asciilifeform: no,
the
tx he sent was not conflicting
nubbins`: so, where do we go from here? we have an mpex listing where
the owner's introduced fraudulent expenses and
the other owner won't sign
the financial statement.
the only party who has recourse of any sort is mpex, but of course
the conflict of interest involved will preclude mpex from resolving
the situation
to honest satisfaction
davout: asciilifeform: do a double spend, manage
to get a conflicting
tx mined
thestringpuller: nubbins`: "Why is Bush so convinced Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" Negrodamus: "Because he has
the receipt."
nubbins`: asciilifeform bush didn't have
the smoking gun but he still went
to iraq
nubbins`: by
the
time it's raised, you can barely read it for
the noise about "bitcoin has been forked"
nubbins`: go
to qntra article and see how long it
takes for someone
to even MENTION
the obvious cheapo explanation
PeterL: kakobrekla is
there an estimated
timeframe for when bet payouts will resume?
nubbins`: and "we" jumped
to
the conclusion because
there's a not-insignificant amount of worry in
the ecosystem right now about chinese monopoly, so it's an easy lie
to sell
nubbins`: it's so
tiny so people won't stop betting.
PeterL: and by
the way, how did we jump
to
the conclusion
that
the collusion is from "Chinese miners"? (And why is
the disclaimer on bitbet so
tiny and discreet?)
davout: kakobrekla: pls
to do so, i'm looking
through my nodes logs
to see if and when i heard about
them
nubbins`: any bets on whether
that'll happen?
nubbins`: so if mp defrauds bitbet, mpex has
the OPTION of liquidating it.