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asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i do not. but this'd be a good beginner project
pete_dushenski: i haven't the patience to compare every listed tx. perhaps someone else has script or program for this
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: dunno if this is a common occurrence, just noticed it because it was raised in bb comment.
assbot: Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY9tv0 )
pete_dushenski: re links : number of txen, fees, hash, merkle root match - size of block and number of coins transacted do not match
dooglus: right. the majority of txs which do have a height baked in were created 10 blocks before that block
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 :: 3 B (58%) on Yes, 2.18 B (42%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 40`287 (100`000 to 2`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1U0ctRQ )
asciilifeform: ah this is re: whether blocks are being withheld as per mircea_popescu's hypothesis.
dooglus: many other transactions in that block *do* have block heights baked into them
nubbins`: it would be remiss for readers to miss out on a summation of this action
dooglus: most people don't use prb - most transactions don't have a non-zero locktime - but lots do
asciilifeform: so prb tx-baking behaviour would not influence matters
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yeah but he baked the tx
nubbins`: and everyone else is who relays tx's
dooglus: weird distribution of current block heights there
dooglus: then remembered prb's 0.12 release writes the current block height into the locktime of transactions it creates
dooglus: I saw MP's "a cartel of Bitcoin miners is deliberately and systematically withholding blocks for an interval of about 20 minutes to a half hour" and was sceptical
asciilifeform: if your client barfs when working with trb, patch your client.
asciilifeform: so this answers it.
asciilifeform: because wtf goats do not get to decide human questions.
asciilifeform: dooglus: when trb disagrees with prb, prb is ipso facto wrong.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:47:24; mircea_popescu: it just turned a mild magic number ("get all the headers no less than 2000) into a fucking protocol limit. "only get 2k". this is utter nonsense.
asciilifeform: i have to agree with mircea_popescu on this one , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424756 ☝︎
assbot: Limit getheaders to a hard 2000. by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #951 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U0bTn3 )
dooglus: see also: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/951 -- if it's not illegal to post github links in here ;)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424706 << this got lost in the noise and i would like to come back to it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: nah, this is mere kilo-drama.
danielpbarron: i'm baking an article about this for my blog, fwiw
nubbins`: mp shrugged too, sux for everyone i guess
nubbins`: danielpbarron this isn't expert finance, my buddy
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 03:01:31; mircea_popescu: !rate nubbins` -1 more or less shoemaker insistent on derping above the crepidam.
jurov: better than shoe polisher at any rate
nubbins`: accounting mistakes wrt bitbet divs almost every month? << iirc there was an s.mg that had an error around my stock warrant too
asciilifeform: (this is a term in ru also.)
asciilifeform: i think i am what mircea_popescu terms a 'shoemaker.'
nubbins`: trinque take one on the chin, why don't ya
trinque: nubbins`: you have an embarassing habit of throwing jabs at everyone in a room when you have a problem with one
asciilifeform: recall, i am here for slightly different reason than other folks, i'm not really an 'assets' fella
danielpbarron: as to whether the listing agreement was violated, I hope for the sake of myself and other shareholders that bbet isn't liquidated at the specified price of 0.00001 btc per share
asciilifeform: jurov: i have nfi, i admit that i do not typically follow the subject
jurov: and we all know discussing what mp should and should not do is in vain, but he's not alone in there. i'm looking forward to see how kakobrekla follows with this
asciilifeform: thus far this is reminiscent of the otp thread.
asciilifeform: but imho it is not a very interesting thread without him.
asciilifeform: at any rate, mircea_popescu is prolly off sitting in the war room recrunching the numberz, and will come back and either show us that we're idiots, or apologize and 'gracious donation to shareholderz.'
nubbins`: cool, do you get on the bread, drop it on the floor, and thusly get the fuck out?
trinque: I butter mine on both, use as a transportation device
punkman: was this even the first time bbet double paid?
nubbins`: danielpbarron as is your perogative; however, in a battle of trust vs facts, i'd rather stick with facts
danielpbarron: i'm not saying you haven't made some sound points nubbins` , but I trust Mircea more than I trust you, and that's that.
asciilifeform: which i do not think was meant here.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this would, then, have the unpleasant flavour of the car wash folks, who wash you at a red light and then ask for pay.
nubbins`: danielpbarron you're assuming this was not borne of incompetence
danielpbarron: just seems like more of an nsa themed thing, but I'm no expert in these matters and I'm not married to the idea
nubbins`: in fact, the only rational exit is for the 17 to come out of mp's couch cushions
nubbins`: i don't think anyone's seriously floating that as a solution
jurov: (i.e. taking from s.nsa money for something it was not involved with at all)
jurov: i have mostly (and painfully) divested from s.nsa, but think two wrongs does not make right
asciilifeform: so even though mircea_popescu is not here, i can say with some certainty that he was not conducting an s.nsa experiment that day.
asciilifeform: which we signed. and notice, there is not such a thing there.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i must confess that if mircea_popescu was conducting an experiment to demonstrate the brokkenness of bitcoin, under the banner of s.nsa, he would have put it as expense in s.nsa statement.
nubbins`: jurov i've never sent a 0-fee tx
danielpbarron: heh i'm a shareholder of both, although not a very big one. full disclosure : i have more invested in bbet than nsa
jurov: asciilifeform: i do check the mempol stats before sending small tx
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think it's clear that the shareholders are happy eating salted shit
asciilifeform: any happier than the bbet ones ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how do the shareholders of s.nsa feel about such a thing ?
nubbins`: danielpbarron hahaha now we're thinking outside the box
BingoBoingo may have to make the jump to power tools. Crosscut saw has given arm a beating.
danielpbarron: maybe the 17 btc should be donated to bbet by s.nsa? If indeed the whole point was to make a point about the brokenness of bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nubbins` carefully inspects his chair every day before he sits down in it ? << This is inspiring a yard project. I have a tall yet narrow tree to take down. Will make a tree stake before gone forever!
nubbins`: kakobrekla he sat bitbet on it, then broke his own chair too, then billed bitbet for two chairs
nubbins`: back to the analogy drawing board
nubbins`: or, y'know, just pay the chair a reasonable fee
nubbins`: if the chair accepted fees to better ensure my ass stayed sat, yes, i'd examine the chair very carefully when sitting for free.
kakobrekla: its not only that chair broke. he deliberately sat on it again (more precisely sat bitbet on it) after he noticed it was broken.
asciilifeform: and let's say the chair breaks one time, and nubbins` finds out that it was because of something a bunch of subhuman scum did.
asciilifeform: every time ?
asciilifeform: again i have nfi, but this is the most parsimonious hypothesis
nubbins`: sure about that?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: default settings worked on every day prior to day x.
nubbins`: so you're blaming the black box?
nubbins`: "the default settings should be good enough, even though an iota of thought would reveal that they're not"
asciilifeform: for all i know (and i have said this) it runs on kremvax.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if i had to guess, a1 was sent with default knobs.
nubbins`: didn't give a fuck, tried em anyway
nubbins`: fuck everybody, i am mp. a 0-fee tx "should" work in my ideal utopia, so it's everyone else's fault if something weird happens
asciilifeform: i hold myself responsible for some of mircea_popescu's rage. and think that it is justified. because the thing ~is~ br0k3n.
nubbins`: ten american cents would have effortlessly done the job
nubbins`: in fact, he pushed out A1 knowing precisely the spaghetti-mess it was being pushed into
asciilifeform: not to this degree ?
nubbins`: hadn't taken a look at the rat's nest?
nubbins`: oh, so he didn't know it was broken before this?
asciilifeform: the way i'm reading it, he was trying to make a point, that the currency is broken (and it is), and that he refuses to be held to answer for ~it being broken~
nubbins`: and instead chose to breach a contract
nubbins`: which is why it's insane that he didn't shrug off the loss
asciilifeform: i think he uses more than 17 btc of toilet paper whenever he shits.
asciilifeform: you think mircea_popescu actually ~needs~ the 17 for something ?
asciilifeform: why would an unprincipled mp ~not~ anonymously fill in the hole ?
nubbins`: you're not passing this off as being principled
nubbins`: i resent the implication that i haven't been