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PeterL: only flint has lead in water,
the rest of
the state has great water
mircea_popescu: by
this logic,
the gardener who is free needs a garden, but
the movie director who is free needs his own studio.
the cost of
their respective freedoms, many degrees of magnitude apart.
mircea_popescu: i can readily see a definition of freedom as "one has enough resources
to protect himself from
the outside world".
this definition is impractical, however, belonging
to
the sphere chicken world.
danielpbarron: what is a free man in asciilifeform
terms? do I qualify by being someone who only needs
to work full
time for one season out of
the year?
mircea_popescu: they are
the
things you say
to protect from change, or w/e.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 00:01:57; asciilifeform: 'Élisabeth de Rothschild (née de Chambure; a.k.a. Lili; March 9, 1902 - March 23, 1945) was a member by marriage of
the wine-making branch of
the Rothschild family.'
mircea_popescu: it goes, for me, in
the same pile as xmas cardano, phuctor
two weeks ago, and wahtever
the fuck her name was,
mircea_popescu: i do not
trust it at all. i'm not sure you understand
this, but AT ALL.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 13:36:51; punkman: anyway, doesn't hurt
to come up with a pricetag. who knows maybe
the satoshi hoard might move
this year.
mircea_popescu: the discussion is a whole not a half. yes we both understand one half of it. now you understand
the other half of it.
mircea_popescu: if
there could be solid weapon in 1/2-1y, you would have long ago been free man.
that you aren't makes
the proposition rather dubious.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the ideas of a not free man about what freedom'd do
to him are null and void.
mircea_popescu: yes
there are some cases where it has redistributed some dollars. in
this sense,
the numbers racket as practiced between
the same poor black marginals 50 years ago also "worked".
mircea_popescu: in general, when your preteen's sister's friends start
taking an interest in your party, you're lame.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 13:11:28; asciilifeform:
the 'reddit appeal' of what we do is ~0, and
this is PROPER, and it is in many ways a barometer of doing
The Right
Thing
mircea_popescu: wouldja
try and engage what's actually on
the
table rather
than what's in
the noggin ?
mircea_popescu: you realise what you're saying is basically,
that ~you~ are
taking off.
mircea_popescu: yes, sure, we'll be sooner or later coming out with
the perfect bitcoin, or die
trying.
mircea_popescu: specifically : if miners come up with fork, what are you going
to do ? so far all i hear is "blame de gods".
mircea_popescu: i'd rather we be prepared, if possible, and i pointedly not care how unpleasant a discussion may be
to anyone's/everyone's favourite assumptions. so here we are.
mircea_popescu: things are happening with or without permission, as a general rule. either you're prepared for
the possible outcomes, or not.
mircea_popescu: and you don't see how jumping from
that
to
this is exactly panic ?
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:56:07; asciilifeform: shinohai: possibly he
thought
this also, and ate some ? and during it, suggested prb ...?
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:57:10; *: asciilifeform doesn't expect
to get
to eat lsd in his natural lifespam, just as doesn't expect a real
tailored suit or
to sail on a dirigible
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:54:35; asciilifeform: it melted my brain
that he even half-seriously hinted at
the possibility of such a
thing.
mircea_popescu: i don't see
the future well enough
to judge what chances we have, but i do see
the future well enough
to see
that if you have no horse in a race, you can't win it.
mircea_popescu: understand
that if
there's a summer of crazy, a NEW schelling will emerge.
mircea_popescu: i do not expect anything,
this is why
this is a discussion.
mircea_popescu: so basically you propose - wait and see on
trb, meanwhile i'll also develop a fork variant which i won't either share or have ready in
time ?
mircea_popescu: anyway - what isn't a strategy is "if
the bad
thing happens i'll get really butthurt".
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense, "trb as is only" opens us up
to being forced, later on,
to pick among
the idiots.
mircea_popescu: there is a very specific danger which you perhaps are not seeing. if indeed we continu with
trb as is, and if indeed 3) happens, as
these
two share pow and we don't control .7 or so exahash we become extremelty vulnerable. recall
the fate of altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: eliding
the complements makes
this discussion dangerous, both
to us and
to
the future.
mircea_popescu: but you should note,
that
there is no good reason
to consider current
trb so much different from cases 1-3.
mircea_popescu: in any case
trb isn't going anywhere, nor need it go anywhere.
mircea_popescu: at
this juncture,
tmsr must make
the decision if it will continue strictly with
trb, or ALSO offer a
tmsr fork of
trb.
mircea_popescu: 4)
to perhaps 12 or whatever, hardforks run by various nuts.
mircea_popescu: 3) a miner-fork, run by whatever
that fat dumb fuck can hire on freelancer.com
mircea_popescu: tomorrow,
there will be : 1) mit-hardfork, run by gavin and whatever anand prakashen
they can find.
mircea_popescu: currently,
there exists bitcoin. while
this is soupier
than we'd like and perhaps
the collapsed eigenstate is slowly vibrating away into an undecided cloud, nevertheless, for
the sake of discussion, let's say.
mircea_popescu: most of
the crud you operate on was written by gavin & co.
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense, your objections as stated don't cut anything.
mircea_popescu: in any case : while a hierarchy could perhaps be constructed in
the "not in wot" pile, as you propose or otherwise,