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funkenstein_: whole thing is none of my business
funkenstein_: heh :) well having to pay miners for their service hardly implies something broken to me
asciilifeform: the kitchen, regardless of what ants may think, was NOT built as an ant restaurant.
funkenstein_: unless they pay the fee ;)
asciilifeform: ants are welcome to choose which crumb on the floor to eat. BUT it had better be INCONSPICUOUS and they had BETTER stay out of the refrigerator.
funkenstein_: they pick and choose what TX to include in a block they mine as always ☟︎
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: if miners can pick and choose who gets to use bitcoin, like you pick dinner guests, bitcoin is broken.
funkenstein_: not that again lol
funkenstein_: can you exclude me from your dinner even though I have a valid mouth?
funkenstein_: what's that?
asciilifeform: it emboldened the fuckers for... what we see now.
asciilifeform: i.e. that the collective of miners CAN exclude certain tx. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ftr i still see the high-S thing as a deplorable compromise
asciilifeform: i even was starting to think that i'd have to write my own malleatron.
nubbins`: block 401820 for your records! i'd only re-checked this morning
asciilifeform: only took 3 days for somebody to malleat it, huh.
nubbins`: prepping the crate for airdrop today
asciilifeform: did that tx confirm yet ?!
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i dunno about your planet, but on mine it is state of the art.
funkenstein_: i guess if it is repeated enough, it is indeed in the canon
nubbins`: good thing
asciilifeform: there's at least two full platoons of asciilifeforms for every mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: what's the failure rate for making mircea_popescus ?
trinque: the whole rest is what information you put in the skulls ☟︎
trinque: if you bothered to breed well a 90% failure rate is deplorable ☟︎
asciilifeform: one of the items in the room is an hdd with half a TB of ru text.
asciilifeform: oh there is a trick
trinque: make the room!!!!111!!11!1
asciilifeform: this is sad but true.
asciilifeform: trinque: everything that is ~actually worth reading~ would fit in a large room. ☟︎
trinque: there are more books on mathematics than could ever possibly be read by one person in one lifetime
asciilifeform: hell, they will learn it by themselves
asciilifeform: teach the survivers, maths.
trinque: wtf is this
asciilifeform: what else to say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has the canonical advice, i cannot beat it, have 1000 children, beat'em within a mm of their life, kill the dumbest 9/10th
trinque: I have trb dev time today. it does not address the point made about education and its function in a culture
trinque: fell out the womb and of the random shuffling of life, some were spartans ☟︎
trinque wonders which of the ancient conquerors ever sat waiting for power to show up of its own accord, shield and spear in hand ☟︎
asciilifeform: even if i could speak to them.
asciilifeform: and i could not necessarily persuade them that it is a good idea.
asciilifeform: but it is not clear to me that those who pick up the pieces will choose to do anything resembling civilization.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has several useful articles re: how various unrealities will have to collapse in order for real people to be built again
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:38:38; asciilifeform: while there many be 'intelligence available outside of the wot', it is ~dead to me~
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428522 <-- one thing i've learned reading here is that this attitude leads to thermodynamic death / intellectual wasteland more quickly than i had expected ☝︎
asciilifeform: what, you think ~their~ students, ~will~ ?? ☟︎
asciilifeform: do you recall the thread re: how people born in '90s cannot think worth half a damn ?
trinque: what is this magical people-essense we will rediscover other than good leadership? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i fully expect that it will take 100+ yrs of AGGRESSIVE sanity to create the peoplecaliber of 1980 again.
trinque: if #b-a is not growing its own theorem-provers, it is merely feeding off the tit of the world it works against. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i lost the head of the thread?
trinque: *they* made this world, and what is the proposal for the other? I suppose engineers and mathematicians will burst from the womb having spent 9 months proving theorems
trinque: I can see very well that you're not engaging me on the turf I proposed
trinque: asciilifeform: what does asking for a list of books have to do with fungible cogs
mod6: sweet thank jurov
jurov: it's me too, i'll keep it for ml
mod6: so whomever may want to renew that one.
mod6: i guess therealbitcoin.com expires on 22-10-2016
mod6: ah. i think you can let it go. we've got 'thebitcoin.foundation' for at least the next 4 years iirc. (good until 2020), and im not sure about therealbitcoin.com -- i didn't register that one.
jurov: mod6 no, there was promo for .info. so i regged it and forgot
asciilifeform: he has a good grip of military craft, and understands that only idiots engage enemy on ~his~ strong turf ☟︎
jurov: also, just for lulz, got targeted spam - invite to bid on foundationcoin.com
asciilifeform: i actually understand very well why mircea_popescu does not want any of this to EVER become about armies of trainable fungible folks.
jurov: i forgot i registerd it and now it is expiring, asking if you want to add it
mod6: jurov: why would you toss it?
asciilifeform: while i have some to give.
asciilifeform: all i can offer is this other kind of force.
trinque: for this very reason
asciilifeform: armies is what the other side has.
trinque: maybe gotta actually train an army at some point, instead of hoping heaven drops its own ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i hate to disappoint folks, but i'm .. not made of book
trinque: here's the thing
trinque: I was hoping for the reading list!
trinque: publish list of mega-b00ks, or go raid whichever university is still teaching math/eng re: alfs
danielpbarron: isn't that another "if you have to ask" sorta things?
asciilifeform: rereading the thread re: the 5 necessary spare asciilifeforms leads me to ask related q, where do we get a spare mircea_popescu if our current one breaks ! ☟︎
assbot: Wanted: The Chicago Cell Phone Jammer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC8LrJ )
danielpbarron: http://thesixthirty.com/news/chicago-cell-phone-jammer/ >> Although, if I’m going to play devil’s advocate here, how much fun would it be just to ride the L for hours on end with a case of Old Style and a cell phone jammer solely for the purpose of messing with people?
funkenstein_: this seems an unsolved problem in how to use V and/or my broken understanding of how to use V
funkenstein_: <trinque> hey, regrind your vpatch and I'll sign it <-- thanks trinque :) trouble is I'm not sure what base to regrind from
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes i have got bitcoin-foundation.info domain, should i toss it too?
BingoBoingo: there is also locust tree I am not candidate because it likely no longer has a solid core and will likely require its removal to be outsourced.
asciilifeform: longer than 'star wars.'
asciilifeform: four-parter, took, iirc, ~40 years to make !
asciilifeform: there is an excellent scene of 16 c. horse-drawn impalement in the pl film 'Ogniem i mieczem' ('with fire and sword').
BingoBoingo: Aha! I have three trees several times too big then and none the right size. I like the big ones though. Will have to look up primary sources.
asciilifeform: but historians in the audience are welcome to correct me.
asciilifeform: the last instance i recall of a formal sentence of impalement was, iirc, in 1740s, and it was commuted at the last minute to beheading
asciilifeform: for instance, you don't want splinters on the pole, the condemned bleeds faster.
asciilifeform: the stake was in ru penal code through the 18th c. so we happen to know a good bit of craft concerning how & what.
asciilifeform: (typically, tree was chosen to be ~telephone pole wide. so that victim would have to wait 2-3 days for the bones to spread, or to die of thirst)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, very thin weedy thing. But it's height had become a concern given it's proximity to the power line.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will have you know that yours is a very thin tree.
asciilifeform: (the games industry mostly left this part of the world.)
asciilifeform: but at least doesn't ever have to leave house.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he was 'old-school' '90s games man, hand-optimized asm for consoles, 3d engines from scratch, that kinda thing.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428607 << Been raining. Have tree down to straight 5'3" section in ground suitable for art ☝︎
asciilifeform: (though spending will still suck donkey balls then)
asciilifeform: those thousands will buy some very spiffy tshirts when btc goes to penny.
asciilifeform: PeterL: i dun think mircea_popescu believes in spending