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kakobrekla: yes,
they were movable and
they moved. how do you say - mega unsurprise.
nubbins`: You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence
that was out of your hands [when you chose
to send a 0-fee
tx and you got bitten as a result]. You either didn't make sure you understood
the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not
to care.
nubbins`: asciilifeform but
the set of possible reasons is finite and bounded
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: pretty difficult
to
test a defective reactor
nubbins`: asciilifeform see
the ocean ranger disaster for another NFI situation
nubbins`: "what if you had
to pick between being electrocuted by your penis and having mr. peanut officiate your wedding?"
nubbins`: i'm not interested in discussing what my conclusion would have been if something
that didn't happen happened.
nubbins`: asciilifeform what would have been your conclusion if he had paid out bettors 1000
times from 1000 different inputs?
nubbins`: asciilifeform what would have been your conclusion if wednesday was
the colour magenta? what, are we discussing hypotheticals now?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform:
that happened, and we found it was
tx malleability, not a cartel...
thestringpuller: I'm still confused I guess as
to why no fee was used for
the payouts..........
nubbins`: "i shouldn't have
to pay fee because i'm me"
thestringpuller: this is what was stated why
the payouts were using 0-fee
tx?
nubbins`: a desire
to see
the world bend instead of him, etc
nubbins`: sadly, even
though mp worked with mptronics, he failed
to heed
this advice
nubbins`: "Failing
to use
tx fees is mooching. Using a (notoriously inept) "service"
that fails
to use
tx fees is also mooching."
snorera: doubtful she can sage
too hard
nubbins`: asciilifeform hanbot had some pretty sage advice a few years back
that was severely overlooked by all parties
nubbins`: no, although mp's demonstrated a karpeles-esque mastery of
the protocol lately
nubbins`: in
the sense
that a lemonade stand is not a food service business, regardless of
the nickels rolling around
the lemons
snorera: or someone dropped a fucking polar bear orf
the deep end
snorera: dont leave any beard bits in
the water pls
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 14:51:36; phf: "it is impermissible and foreign
to
the spirit of marxism-leninism
to elevate one person,
to
transform him into a superman possessing supernatural characteristics akin
to
those of a god."
kakobrekla: nubbins` i dont have any data on mempool backlog during
the period
phf: "it is impermissible and foreign
to
the spirit of marxism-leninism
to elevate one person,
to
transform him into a superman possessing supernatural characteristics akin
to
those of a god."
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: was
there a massive mempool backlog?
kakobrekla: speaking of: i had a 0 fee
transaction confirmed
today. it was made by mistake on or before 26 feb. and was not visible on any block explorer for
the period of 18 days.
nubbins`: at which point mp's ego
took
the wheel
nubbins`: asciilifeform at
the risk of once again putting words in kakobrekla's mouth, i
think it's just a case of kako being unwilling
to sign off on "expenses" introduced by mp
that kako felt were not legit
kakobrekla: i dont
think dividends ever paid
the bills.
kakobrekla: i can publish if someone wants
to read. in very short, its: no skin in
the game - no game
nubbins`: if i couldn't bear
to wait X amount of
time
nubbins`: no, i'd
tell bettors
to sign a statement with
the address
they used
to fund
their bets, in order
to receive a refund
kakobrekla: it would be
trivial for me
to generate a list (and for him
to confirm its legit) of bettors
that need
to be refunded, he can
then
take a haircut for
the expenses
that brought bb down (nothing i can do bout it) and case closed
☟︎ nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not
the one who introduced "rest of your life" absurdity here
nubbins`: what's
the maximum allowed length of a bet on bitbet?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:02:11; ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider
the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
thestringpuller: last
time americans
tried
that all we got were
these lousy anti-trust laws
thestringpuller: not everyone can have a fully vertically integrated business from
the get go
nubbins`: hot dog vendor: "what if
the price of buns goes up?"
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 20:57:48; mircea_popescu: hence my comment about fragility.
there are
two main
threads here
that would-be bitcoin entrepreneurs must heed quite closely. one is
that - your expense structure is not either a) in your own control or b) specificable. for as long as your business model involves bitcoin as it currently exists, you're doing
the economic equivalent of linking remote dlls.
thestringpuller: that seems
to be a practical problem of neural nets. had an ex who's best friend's dad at
the
time worked on AI. He
told me
this story about how
they were
training a neural net
to identify enemy
tanks from allied
tanks. well all
the allied
tanks had good pictures.
the enemy
tanks were recon photos
taken at night. So
the nn ended up learning
to
tell difference between photos
taken at night vs day
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy
talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what -
to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:19:22; asciilifeform:
thestringpuller:
there were once
two schools of
thought re: how
to do 'ai'
thestringpuller: I'll
text-ify it later. But I guess point it, don't you
think computational power plays a role in what AI does in practice?
thestringpuller: that's why
that article was so interesting
to me as a 13 year old since
the AI in games was exhibiting emergent behavior not seen previously. (or at least
throughout my childhood)
thestringpuller: The algo's imo were ahead of
their
time. Hopfield nets et. al.
thestringpuller: that was what I focused on
the most in 8th grade - LTM in neural netowkrs
thestringpuller: It would seem Go or any game is playable via neural net if you
train
the net well enough?
thestringpuller: I have a soft spot for neural networks cause I spent many of my 8th grade lunches in
the library building
them.
Saweighfteen: slightly less
than sixteen; popbabyly unwelcome