asciilifeform: spyked: 'reader.py' not supports this form yet

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: ( i.e. not live on air yet )

asciilifeform: there are also minor improvements to 'reader' , but these need moartest atm.

asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .

asciilifeform: there.

asciilifeform: e.g. : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004190

asciilifeform: oh and the crosspost thing is in:

asciilifeform: !q uptime

asciilifeform: new ver. of reader.py laters. (and then will vpatch.)

asciilifeform: this (and merged in fix of reconnector) i think covers in

asciilifeform: ^ nomoar 0x01 turdola

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938795

asciilifeform test of action line

asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere mats

asciilifeform: !q seen mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: !q version

asciilifeform: !q help

asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! about to deploy new rev of bot. expect ~45sec of dead time.

asciilifeform on this merry note has to attend to meat : bbl

asciilifeform: wasp, when nests in his corpse, would laff right back, if he knew how.

asciilifeform: very easy for zoologist to laff at wasp, when he's a 'k' shaved ape

asciilifeform: i.e. the 'r/k' thing.

asciilifeform: at any rate insect moar relies on 'horizontal' ('there's many wasps') 'rng', than 'vertical' ('if rnd()<0.99 then check_nest()' etc) rng.

asciilifeform: aha, and also vertical predators (afaik moar of the latter)

asciilifeform: unlike zoologist's box

asciilifeform: wasp's natural env, incidentally, does not contain stealthy removers of caterpillars, afaik (they deposit'em in quite well concealed place)

asciilifeform: entirely possib

asciilifeform: right, asciilifeform's contention aint 'dafuq, this can't work' but 'well it clearly worx, i simply dun know precise mechanism'

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: poor model, transistor, it's ~nuffin BUT rng when 'out of the box'

asciilifeform: given that the wasp is still around , evidently worx out.

asciilifeform: it is interesting that wasp seems to lack 'rng'. asciilifeform does not know why, or what sorta evolutionary sense it makes.

asciilifeform: while(1)!

asciilifeform: the ants, however, interesting because in anthill there ~will~ be found some who can walk 'nonstandard' path.

asciilifeform: 'segfault : antenna not found'

asciilifeform: this kinda thing is ubiquitous in the insects aha

asciilifeform: iirc sphex actually has a 'while(1) { ...' in him

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i recall the spiders. wasn't necessarily a sphex tho, there are other wasps that 'smarter' and will throw exception and stop looking for the caterpillar

asciilifeform: cuz otherwise no amt of cpu enuff

asciilifeform: all living things do certain amt of 'but it must'

asciilifeform: dunno that so diff. recall the sphex wasp ? the 1 that will still run the 'walk to caterpillar, see if eggs in its spine hatched' even if entomologist removes the caterpillar.

asciilifeform: well general lemay also 'it must' eh

asciilifeform: 'i'ma quit my job an' work as a wolf instead, will grow teeth as i practice' 'write back, say how it goes'

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'imagined choice' can drive the imaginer into walls, but is unclear to me that the walls move, or even get dirty as result

asciilifeform: but imho still interesting, as neutrino was interesting before anyone knew how to catch 1

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform less convinced, but unequipped to press the point while lacking working timemachine

asciilifeform: 'bring back the planes' 'wat planes, war ended, this is island 8000km from humanity' 'gather straw, we'll make planes!11'

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is a+++ model of 'america great again'(tm)(r) lulzcows aha

asciilifeform: 'main switch' not , afaik, fully crystallized yet as concept, then.

asciilifeform: why maintained the cosmetic front, still afaik debated by archaeologists.

asciilifeform: but afaik d00d only cosmetically 'pretender', really -- a sort of 'mongol invader'

asciilifeform: lol beheaded in 1775

asciilifeform: mno, that'd be clitler's battallion, rather than pugachev

asciilifeform follows along, this is traditional picture...

asciilifeform prepares to take

asciilifeform: to same thing as chingis han 'to what', 'see their women driven before me, hear the lamentations...'

asciilifeform: imho the operative diff is where zev/muntzer/huss/etc revolt with 'and manna will fall from heaven' ; whereas pugachev et al were straight cases of 'burn old moribund aristocrats and install selves in place'

asciilifeform: mega-piece

asciilifeform: i recall this 1

asciilifeform: this model 100% afaik fits, e.g. muntzer . but less so in east orcistan imho.

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: ( then famine and suddenly you have a 800k man pugachev army 'outta nowhere!111' )

asciilifeform: at whatever time some % of farmer 'know where out is' , but while the turnippin's good , sit put

asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right re 'fixed %' tho. but to run w/ the analogy, the radon does stay in the ground until you dig to the bedrock, so will in effect vary

asciilifeform: 'am dog'

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to me that typical 'peasant delusion' is ~opposite~ , 'choice wat choice, i only know how to turnip'

asciilifeform: 'kulak' story is moar usually 'hey the derps keep showing up to borrow money, what, i shouldn't , why exactly? they wanna buy me a 5th horse, why not let'em'

asciilifeform: 'thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes'(tm)(r), 'choice' aint the operative item

asciilifeform suspects that 'there is no magick' and all of these followed standard predator-prey equilibriae -- but not expert.

asciilifeform: ( iguess could even say 1 is 'special case' of other )

asciilifeform: for 'lively' son of peasant, as i understand 2 'radiodecay' paths, 1 to brigand, 1 to 'kulak' (of whom, seems , was also 'stable %' historically)

asciilifeform: but i think i see what mp_en_viaje meant

asciilifeform: from crown pov 'leakage'

asciilifeform: iirc even in england was similar

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again this only in re ru planet, but there was measurable 'leakage' from 'pleb' to 'highwayman' , proportionate to how screamingly retarded was the crown at given time

asciilifeform: not fulltime farmer, anyway. ( viking also 'part time farmer' similarly )

asciilifeform: on orc side there was attempt to institutionalize, 'ok you can be brigand right-there, on turk border' i.e. cossac

asciilifeform: for completeness, 'what did they then do' wasn't always 'eh same thing as grandfather, try to pull turnips from mud', but sometimes instead brigandage

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: similarly to alabama, i.e. not far. cuz it wasn't as if they escaped on motorcycles , ha

asciilifeform: i dunno re e.g. germanies, but in ru there were catchers a la alabama etc

asciilifeform: what then means 'were bound to the soil'

asciilifeform: 'go discovering x' req's breaking outta the konzentrationslager neh

asciilifeform: how do you 'fix inside' e.g. 3 consecutive dud harvests ?

asciilifeform: i dunno that d00d who picks up a spear and decides 'go out with a bang' when starving, is necessarily 'idiot'

asciilifeform: i.e. you need lotsa pro exterminators, not cheap

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observation aint re 'ohnoez serfdom wicked' but re 'total cost of operation'(tm)

asciilifeform: iirc in west europistan landsknecht did brisk biz being called in to clean these up

asciilifeform: the ru variant seems a++ until remember that erry rebellion (pugachev's being only the most expensive to kill, hence prominently remembered) insta-vacuumed up massive army of disgruntled meat robot

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: ( other detail re orcs -- initially, was possible for serfs to move at certain times 'day of xyz saint' etc. then phased out. )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc in most of west europes, serfs not sellable..?

asciilifeform: but can't make noble house from scratch w/out equipping it w/ peasants. so 'wat-do'. was resolved in favour of something quite like ameri-slavery.

asciilifeform: previously were serfs, but could not be sold

asciilifeform: asciilifeform knows slightly moar re how serfdom was phased in in ru than out west. was 'staged' process, and got going in earnest under peter, who decided to create gigatonne of newly-enobled henchmen (modernize , fleets, etc) and then faced q 'how to give'em peasants'

asciilifeform: but yes, in marxist cosmography is supposed to have 'given labour teeth by cutting pressure'

asciilifeform: 'like it was yesterday!' lol

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to expand re the plague if got time

asciilifeform can picture this.

asciilifeform: well dude-with-mortgaged-car