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trinque: well hell, it's greed
too. :p
trinque: my lately
talking only of money isn't greed, so much as
trying
to humble myself into hustling for
that dirty dollar^Wbuttcorn instead of ^
trinque: most of
these failures in my own life amounted
to mp_en_viaje's "toward purpose", i.e.
they were narcissists reaching for objects conjured in
their own imaginations, primarily
to create
the feedback necessary
to sustain said narcissism.
dorion_road: trinque
they got lost on engineering loops and yeah, ran out of steam.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:42 mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us
to know how you're fucked in
the head. like
the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
trinque: this isn't an insult btw; I've been a part of several
that did.
trinque: why didn't
they finish? ran out of steam?
dorion_road: the ceo and cto of coinapult spun off a development company and I did some consulting with
them, but
they didn't finish
the software
they started and I
transitioned
to work with jfw.
dorion_road: in 2013 I met evoorhees in Panama, and
took a job with Coinapult in 2014
to run customer service. I did some business development and got exposure
to qa for
the ~year
that lasted.
dorion_road: yeah, it was fun and I learned/grew a lot. can for sure
think of worse ways
to spend one's 22nd and 23rd years.
trinque: ha!
that's pretty cool actually!
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-16 dorion: in 2010 I came across Peter Schiff, American investor who forecast 2008 financial crisis.
this opened me up
to seriously exploring what
things are and ultimately lead me
to decide by spring 2011 I would do what I had
to do
to work for him. in January 2012, he advertised openings for commission only sales people
to move out of usia and work for his new bank, www.europacbank.com .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:24:44 mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, you read
that article above btw ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:23:32 mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access
to capital
than any fiat bank arrangements can provide --
the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:20:10 mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is
that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in
the relevant aspects, which is why i said well
targetted.
that's
the key
to success, always find a group of such idiots
that, ideally, don't even realise it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:19:07
trinque: if you're
taking clients with very different problems all
the
time,
that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:17:31
trinque:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because
the flow of money
through your business determines
the shape of your product, which is
to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of
tools and
the job gets easier,
til eventually it's more of a product play
than consulting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:05:33
trinque: I am particularly aggressive
to
this, it being isomorphic
to
the church environment in which I was raised.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:04:53
trinque: narrowly, in its
time, of microsoft. "whatever, literally anything is better
than microshit" and now, of
themselves, living in
their own shit.
dorion_road: ah, right.
that's a big shortcoming of Gales, didn't use V from
the start.
trinque: dorion_road: it's more a comment
that "why isn't your patch a vpatch atop
the gales genesis"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:00:11
trinque: nah, I'm going
to do my best
to uncoil
the spring.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:01:10
trinque:
totally solvable problem, and I expect what you'd do ends up looking what I've been working on.
dorion_road: trinque
those are
the packages in gports. some have patches by jfw. a
task for
tmsr.os is
to list all
the dependencies for
the implicit clients. so many of
those in
that Gales gports list may not make it in
tmsr.os.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:00:22
trinque: dorion_road: btw, your gales has
the same problem mp_en_viaje pointed out about my cuntoo. it doesn't actually have
the sources of
the dependencies. one provides
those as
tarballs.
trinque: I don't
think you expect
to actually be yourselves patching acpica autoconf automake bash bc bison bzip2 cl-hyperspec clisp dash db flex gales-util gcc64 git gnupg less libevent libressl libusb links m4 man-pages man-pages-posix mandoc ncurses nginx ocaml openssh patch pciutils perl php56 py-setuptools python python-docs qmail readline redis sbcl sqlite sqlite-doc
tmux ucspi-tcp vim xz zlib
trinque: ^ it's
this I mean by "let money flow over it, and let money shape it"
trinque: suppose someone's going
to kill you for losing
their 1000btc with
this
thing. What
then about "not keeping up with
the rat race"?
trinque: "While I have striven
to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting
to keep up with
the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many
third-party components." <<
This is somewhat concerning, in
that you say "eh" about
the "many
third-party components". I'd instead
try for
the minimal possible bootable src surface area.
trinque: dorion_road: btw, your gales has
the same problem mp_en_viaje pointed out about my cuntoo. it doesn't actually have
the sources of
the dependencies. one provides
those as
tarballs.
trinque: at any rate, I consider myself heard on
the hubris cycle, and I've already committed
to a few bile-soaked pieces on linux and other
things.
trinque: apparently
this depends on
the counterparty.
trinque: one yells at his friends for going off
the same cliff over and over again.
diana_coman: trinque: you are not unpleasant company
that I see, no.
trinque: you realize where I live
the aggression
threshold for "unpleasant company" is set way higher, or no?
diana_coman: and just
to be on
the clear side: it's not against "loudly saying X is foolhardy", not at all; if it's not clear
though, I'll give it a rest.
diana_coman: trinque:
the comparison OS/protestantism made sense; I get
the allergy
to hubris cycle
too, now
that you say it explicitly; my point above was
though precisely re loud-before-crashed esp given
the long silence -punctured at
times briefly, sure- before
that; ie
the outbursts
themselves I get but I don't see
to be very useful really.
trinque: if
there's anything
to which I'm developing an allergy, it's
the hubris cycle.
trinque: it's idiotic
to equate "this man is loudly saying X is foolhardy" with "X man is a bitch" every
time it comes up.
trinque: diana_coman: did
the point of comparing open source
to protestantism not make sense, or what
diana_coman: trinque: it has/had nothing
to do with
that either; but sure.
trinque: diana_coman: I'm not going
to do
the "hurr, be a man and
toil in
this mountain of boy's cumsocks"
thread again.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:11:41 mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems
to me
torvalds came in
two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better
than nothing, and because being an engineers
they didn't know better.
they were, so
to speak, pre-headfucked by pant
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:05:33
trinque: I am particularly aggressive
to
this, it being isomorphic
to
the church environment in which I was raised.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 21:58:40 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it can't be
the size, i
tested
this
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955265 - maybe it's something specific
to
the 3d block
there
that messes it up
though it's not all
that likely (if for no other reason
than
the basic 1. at first it worked 2. it still works as a separate footnote); anyways, I don't
think it's worth
the
time right now
to chase it fully.
mp_en_viaje: if
the whole of argentina spent 5mn last year its a wonder
mp_en_viaje: wtf 5bn spent abroad,
this is entirely imaginary
BingoBoingo: In blood, stones, and squeezing Argentina's new-old government is... inventing new official outgoing exchange rate
to shave capital flight, if
there was any left
to go flying
http://archive.is/xmsuL trinque: dork I know does
this in oil
trinque: and I'm certain his
tech for keeping
track of which wire's going
to whom, who's getting
their dubaloos put in what paper, is primitive.
trinque: same with your panamanian guy. he doesn't have
the assets in his desk drawer.
trinque: take
the deedbot wallet.
the assets aren't in
the
thing; it just counts
them.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25
trinque: so dorion_road, is
the idea
that
there's a
tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for
these folks holding piles of database money?
mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us
to know how you're fucked in
the head. like
the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
trinque: going back
to "what is
trinque signaling
to dorion_road?" do not
take ^ as some kind of invincibility.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, you read
that article above btw ?
mp_en_viaje: yup,
there's an entire body length of lacerations and bleeding sites he dun have
to deal with here. which is what
they call an edge in business.
mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access
to capital
than any fiat bank arrangements can provide --
the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
trinque: heh, speaking of
the pantsuit labeling everything its opposite, obviously
the dorks with laptops are
the most capital intensive businesses!
mp_en_viaje: the
two major money leaks in
traditional start-ups are by very far 1
the pretense pump, wherein
tiny new cos end up paying frisco rents because "iotherwise how
to atteact employees"
mp_en_viaje: his other advantage is
that he needs less money
than absolutely anybody.
mp_en_viaje: but oherwise, yes
that's
the bane of
technical consulting.
mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is
that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in
the relevant aspects, which is why i said well
targetted.
that's
the key
to success, always find a group of such idiots
that, ideally, don't even realise it.
trinque: and when you're bootstrapping, you need
that money, so yes, hard.
trinque: if you're
taking clients with very different problems all
the
time,
that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:42
trinque: I've been in
that business. It's hard, wish
them well.
trinque:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because
the flow of money
through your business determines
the shape of your product, which is
to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of
tools and
the job gets easier,
til eventually it's more of a product play
than consulting
mp_en_viaje: the switch part was i suppose self-obvious
to anyone but me.
trinque: that's a better bridge from protestantism
to gentooism
than I could've built.
mp_en_viaje: and
then of course he
turned around and
took
them right "home", like all of
these asshats do, "mencius modlbug" was
the same
thing, Framedragger 's stupid whore same
thing, etcetera etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: aised children are pre-molested even before anyone bothers fucking
them,
they're groomed
to respond "well"
to moelestation.
mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems
to me
torvalds came in
two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better
than nothing, and because being an engineers
they didn't know better.
they were, so
to speak, pre-headfucked by pantsuit agitprop, like cult-r
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12
trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with
trying out your
thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies
that don't eat, so I'd love
to hear how you plan
to sustain
the effort necessary
to maintain an OS.