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mircea_popescu: these are as far as i've seen the two mindbugs of the republic : a) A -> B therefore B-> A, ie backflow ; and b) the above.
asciilifeform: well, to re-connect the frags, i take issue with everett's device as problem solving tool, because if you admit it, none of the other things we do make any sense
mircea_popescu: the jump is the mechanism at issue here nevertheless.
asciilifeform: side thread
mircea_popescu: what goes from 1 to 2 ?
mircea_popescu: but look at the jump : 1) unexplained item can be explained by a or b ; 2) it's a b-olympics!
asciilifeform: ah the not-caring olympics l0l
asciilifeform: i am reminded of dan mocsny's 'whichever one of us leaves usenet first is the Real Man' mega-flame
mircea_popescu: what is this. mayhap the explanation isn't that mp lives in a heat-death immune dirigible (upgraded from atomic) but simply... does not care ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wonder why asciilifeform is so convinced that one may only see the truth of things that don't affect them personally.
asciilifeform: and there were a few splats also.
asciilifeform: every day 1000 tonnes of coal went past my old flat
trinque: portland wants to be yurp bad enough to have put some in
mircea_popescu: "i thought it was something with electrictiy!!1"
mircea_popescu: "so then why not step on them ?!"
mircea_popescu: "because trains go on them, polish them"
mircea_popescu: later finding herself at a good time for such, inquires why parts were shiny ?
asciilifeform: who the fuck has not seen railroad ? blind gurl ?
mircea_popescu: so we go to cross some tracks and i say "careful not to touch the shiny parts!" and she carefully steps to not touch the shiny parts.
mircea_popescu: did i ever recall the story of the slavegirl that had never seen railroad tracks ?
asciilifeform: i can see it already: harem gurl: 'i stepped on rusty nail!' mircea_popescu: 'here's an impregnation, perhaps after 20 generations your descendants will have shell armour on their feet'
asciilifeform: prolly goes with the job.
asciilifeform: largely since i never get the sense he is discussing a place where he ~lives~
asciilifeform: and this is where we find out that mircea_popescu stands outside heat death.
asciilifeform: and the beast can't exactly grow a new brain if environment changes and it could take the chance of moving to a new rock.
mircea_popescu: at the expense of other processes, of course. so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: recall pigeon experiments ? brain is plastic, takes over function of lost partys
mircea_popescu: but anyway, so animal that stops locomoting gives up brain cells used for handling that.
mircea_popescu: (actually it's the jumping champion, some 1km jumps)
mircea_popescu: must not be the same animal, sea cucumber i think of is an echinoderm.
asciilifeform: 'The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for life. For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain anymore, so it eats it! It's rather like getting tenure.'
asciilifeform: take the famous sea cucumber.
mircea_popescu: the root of the problem would seem to be the self-serving but otherwise bluntly unwarranted assumption that "intelligence is useful in all circumstances".
asciilifeform: i commiserate that mircea_popescu thinks the 'idiot god' of hill-climbing optimizer is 'intelligence'
mircea_popescu: that you don't like the outcome is not cause to alter the definitions lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lives on mt olympus with the other godz and naturally gives not a fuck
asciilifeform: so not entirely indifferent to whether surrounded by cockroach
asciilifeform: i merely happen to live there.
mircea_popescu: now why'd you strawman the "adaptive behaviour" ? what the fuck do you care what the outcome is.
asciilifeform: l0l this was even in my brick article
mircea_popescu: but it is more reliably notstupid than people, for sure.
asciilifeform: in the end, the stone - who outlasts all - is most intelligent then.
asciilifeform: where then, the intelligence.
asciilifeform: sometimes it is maladaptive to be larger than roach
asciilifeform: what if test is 'be not as large as a mouse, there is nothing to eat but for cockroach'
mircea_popescu: the adaptive behaviour is teh intelligence - the rest, will, if you will, or whatever.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:27:35; mircea_popescu: intelligence is an adaptive behaviour ; which is why anyone with a clue would rather spend the time chatting up a random whore or street urchin than some jewish princess or "young exec".
mircea_popescu: ahh this mango lassi.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:21:59; thestringpuller: you ever read mimsy and the borogoves? short sci-fi story by Lewis Padgett (a pseudonym for CL Moore and some other person that wrote as a duo)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433733 << i read it. marvelous tale. and - unsurprisingly - barfalicious hollywood film 50 yrs later. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the whole deal was something like "and lee sedol will now play the whole nation of china - elect a representative, or two, or whatever. the go competence of the entire han race is being judged"
asciilifeform: being rather the collective best effort of the king's horses and king's men ?
mircea_popescu: machine is not a thing in the sense here contemplated.
asciilifeform: or did i dream this.
asciilifeform: i distincly recall stipulation that all 5 games will be played against same thing ?
asciilifeform: since when is this done.
asciilifeform: (from, iirc, 1200, after the machine loss)
asciilifeform: speaking of which, how about them 1900 cores.
asciilifeform: much of modern tech is really reducible to 'let's give diogenes 1000w projector, he will surely find honest man!111'
mircea_popescu: teh dsc sounds like a pretty kickass patron deity, thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: Temple of the Diogenes of the Single Candle.
mircea_popescu: actually that's a great name for the temple for this here cult,
asciilifeform: and single turtle, aha.
mircea_popescu: you think like the man of a single woman.
asciilifeform: i did not think anyone gave a fuck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ah so you tried it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw the mask set i published here will build a depoetteringized (though not dedrepperized) gentoo, which will stay that way. but various more or less essential items, e.g., 'wireshark', will not build.
hanbot: phf / anyone who mac-erizes or might mess with gpgtools, tell me menu option & any steps involved in exporting pubkey if you have a moment? i'm trying to put a eulora wiki guide together and these derps have like zero documentation.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 11:03:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433648 << not afaik. if you don't count various people (including alf most recently) on various occasions throwing their hands up in disgust at the dysfunctional pos.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433702 << it is what there is. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: like that.
mircea_popescu: recall the threads about ntp, political time etc ?
asciilifeform: ^ how the FUCK is this any business of libc.
mircea_popescu: amateur hunter returns empty handed from swamp. "nothing but migs out there good god what's the world coming to!"
asciilifeform: when i see that birdshot works on it, i know it is prolly not a mig...
mircea_popescu: "on the basis of the leaks coming from the invisible aircraft we have learned that it is a duck."
asciilifeform: pretty much all i know about mpb comes from these !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by implication, from various mircea_popescu gripes about tx-sending.
trinque: jumped onto trb intending to cause myself severe pain such that gears of progress and whatnot
trinque: and shitting my own txns in from elsewhere
asciilifeform: was surprised to learn that this was not so
mircea_popescu: or, in the words of the ballas master, " Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and..."
asciilifeform: i kinda assumed formerly that mircea_popescu fixed it in his
asciilifeform: but anyway, unlike the pow wars or whatever apocalyptic thunderclouds, the wallet ~could~ be fixed if anyone gave half a fuck
mircea_popescu: nanto or how do they call it.
mircea_popescu: it is a really hard thing to pass.
asciilifeform: to recalculate the origin.
asciilifeform: was the idiot justification aha.
asciilifeform: let's pile up moar, moar!111 variably-valued items for the solver!1111
mircea_popescu: both the "shittier than historical" and "new addr for change" bits are satoshi's dubious kludges to protect "anonimity" ☟︎
asciilifeform: as if the knapsack thing were not enough
asciilifeform: the create-new-addr-every-time thing also guarantees fragging and pestilential multitudes of 'young' unspent coin
mircea_popescu: even historical order would acvtually beat trb on this.
asciilifeform: for 'pay x btc to addr a'
asciilifeform: the tx selector thing
asciilifeform: which is what we have in trb
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: knapsack problem is this np-complete boojum for which you can, yes, have various crapsack approximations
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how exactly is the notion ludicrous in itself ?
mircea_popescu: "Fix the motherfucking code before you have to be fired. To recap : a. If I want to make 1 Mb txs I make 1 Mb txs ; b. correct inputs are selected to feed the outputs as if a human or better was doing the selecting." << also march, as fate would have it.