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phf: exactly same arguments i'd use to convince someone to use tinyscheme i can use to convince ~myself~ to use java..
mircea_popescu: "hey, it's not done like that since the 50s! the 50s sucked!"
mircea_popescu: but the EXACT same.
mircea_popescu: and the same EXACT arguments you use could be used to persuade me (or at least a dumber version) to use java instead of tinyscheme.
mircea_popescu: and from that same angle, the value of tmsr engineer is g(value of burned pogos)
mircea_popescu: a) i've on many occasions said, "this is stupid but will be instructive, proceed" ; b) you think this is about production, which it isn't, it's educational.
asciilifeform: this makes sense to anyone ?
asciilifeform: so when $random-ba-visitor proposes doing something idiotic with financitronics, mircea_popescu says 'this is moronic' and this is a-ok, because financitronics is a mircea_popescu-competence. when i say 'this is moronic' and subj is electronics, then i am on crack?
mircea_popescu: phf thinking about it, i think the switch has a lot to do with their delusional notion that they're somehow now in power.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what's easier than soldering a plug into a pre-prepped landing pad ? << ANYTHING that doesn't involve "pre-prepped". what's easier than marrying this girl your mommy splayed out on the bed for you ???
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asciilifeform: incidentally, physical quality of books in the english world peaked some time in 50s.
asciilifeform: things we may well come back to, If This Goes On
asciilifeform: (e.g., description of how magnetic recording actually happens, the material aspects of the media, etc0
asciilifeform: and contain actual technical material, not only maths, not found elsewhere
asciilifeform: i have whole shelf of 1950s b00kz in 'computing' section of my library. they are spiffy & useful.
mircea_popescu: are you talking 50s ?!
phf: i thought there was some cool shit, RAF for example had a very practical nazi beurocrat cleaning program
asciilifeform: and, these folks have been adrift since the kgb financing dried up.
asciilifeform: i thought this was obvious ?
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is EXACTLY what they are. the fashion world of ugly chicks and insecure betas.
mircea_popescu: might as well care what the "fashion world" thinks.
mircea_popescu: they stand for exactly nothing ; one generation switch can change any major tenet.
mircea_popescu: phf that change, incidentally, makes me completely discount the euro "left" movement.
mircea_popescu: give me some time.
mircea_popescu: shut up, if we end up back in 1890 you'll be thankful for dpb.
asciilifeform: street lights used to be powered this way.
mircea_popescu: anyway. powering a bunch of pogos in the discussed way is neither terribly difficult nor terribly risky. it does require some reading, of course. and it does deviate from "how things are done", which is a major asset.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i think isis stole your idea
phf: european leftists have been inexplicably at war with trolling (which is a 180 change from how it was in the 90s and prior), somehow went from CRASS to respecting each others feelings, so takes some conscious effort to court some from that circle
mircea_popescu: phf ah, like that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will remind you i am the one who plans to buy the ancient collection of chinese miniature emperors on rice beads
phf: mircea_popescu: which interpretation? i'm saying that the way arguments are presented here is essentially "this is how it is, and you're an idiot for not grokking" as opposed to some other, perhaps subtler, forms of rhetoric
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you invite folks for target practice, which piece do you let them fire ? the luger, penny a round, or the rare borschardt 1890 where each round has to be bought from museum ?
mircea_popescu: your idea of usefully is centered on the thing.
asciilifeform: if yer gonna burn pogos, why not usefully, see how much overclock the thing can take, or see if you can upgrade the ram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the man burn pogos. i will not change man to protect pogos. wtf.
danielpbarron: recall i already did the soldering thing to make adulterated pogo
mircea_popescu: phf methinks you may be alone in that interpretation. i for instance don't do the whole "accept as fairitale" thing.
mircea_popescu: this brave new libertard world that "holds people as the greatest value", i am so sick of it!
asciilifeform: what's easier than soldering a plug into a pre-prepped landing pad ?
mircea_popescu: who the FUCK cares about fucking chickens already!
mircea_popescu: this is an eery repeat of the chicken story, somehow.
asciilifeform: e.g., reattache the missing sata plugs to the cheapo pogo version
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why the FUCK to do this?!111 good way to nuke a dozen or two nonrenewable resource pogotrons
mircea_popescu: i'm going to power 100x 12 v transformers because wut, "i can't make things - gotta use chinese made!!1"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you stop getting in the way of people doing things omigerd.
phf: mircea_popescu: i take rhetoric as separate from message. b-a rhetoric is firmly in asshole tradition, i.e. strong statements and the listener has an option to find the subtle point.
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if these don't come with a civilized 12v regulated brick.
mircea_popescu: you throw it ouyt and big deal.
asciilifeform: so this is retarded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then whole thing stops
asciilifeform: even in analogue world, this is no longer a thing.
asciilifeform: sorry, this is nutso.
mircea_popescu: if one in 100 shorts you get a 1% increase, which they don't care anyway.
asciilifeform: fuse dun work this way.
nubbins`: i have three SATA pogos and two non-SATA
mircea_popescu: 320V DC out of wall socket is a electronics 101 project ever since the times of hte b&w photo clubs.
danielpbarron: using an sd card for the userland, and in two cases both had the filesystem corrupted, which is why I had to try it on my sata-style pogo
danielpbarron: actually the irc one is the lesser non-sata pogo
mircea_popescu: (by a high voltage rectifier thingee i mean that iirc pogos draw 4.5 V dc. a > kv rectifier diode is twenty bucks or something, you can make yourself an item you plug into the wall and it feeds 100 pogos arranged in series out of maybe a hundy.)
mircea_popescu: if it can run an obscure wp blog, it certainly can run a bnc or whatever other such thing. much better security model than "i pay 20 dollars to dc hosted blabla-freedom.net"
mircea_popescu: and since you have the wot at your disposal most of the costs involved in low end hosting (ie, keeping the scum out) you're insulated from.
mircea_popescu: people would prolly be willing to pay a few dollars /mo to rent an ACTUAL physical box, which means you can take a few hundred in exchange for a not-unreasonable upfront expenditure.
mircea_popescu: see if your isp is willing to give you a c block / upgrade your connection. buy a coupla bridges of 32 or 64, make a high voltage rectifier thingee, and power a bunch of boxes
mircea_popescu: see if you manage to apply alf's thing and if it runs well. if it does, a next step you can take is :
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know, it occurs to me your idea to run a webserver on pogo may actually be very valuable.
mircea_popescu: seems to be how it goes lol.
asciilifeform: when i tried the arch, systemd would hose the box ~weekly
danielpbarron: i think if i enable caching the pogo might survive all those hits at once better
danielpbarron: is it possible to do gentoo on pogo?
asciilifeform: no need to move.
danielpbarron: just so happens i had arch on pogo already set up, so it was the easiest to get blog going on
danielpbarron: if i'm gonna move off a pogo i'll use gentoo on whatever the replacement is
asciilifeform: and i had it, it was a turd
mircea_popescu: ah it made it through ? cool.
danielpbarron: your comment is approved although i did that after the archive
mircea_popescu: apache really dun work for this purpose.
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mircea_popescu: well, since alf doesn't want to engage the failure modes of "we know what stupidity is", let's just leave reference to perhaps the best folkloric work of all time, https://archive.org/stream/operecompletedig301pitr/operecompletedig301pitr_djvu.txt
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what os on the pogo?
danielpbarron: pogo really shouldn't be used for this purpose :< ☟︎
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know i think comments are somehow broken ? i push teh button, nothing happens.
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danielpbarron: how do you get to 1 from a shift of 2 away from 7?
mircea_popescu: this because 2 bits = 2^2 = 4. had the shift been 17 bits, then you'd get to do 2^17 = 131072 old style hashings for each new style digest you calculate.
mircea_popescu: this means you get to do 4 old style hashings for each new style digest you calculate.
mircea_popescu: hash2 would have been the same for all nonces over 3, ie, 4, 5, 6 and 7. it'd have also been the same for all nonces under 4, ie, 0, 1, 2 and 3.
mircea_popescu: if in fact a shift by 2 was in effect, it'd be the case that hash1=f(header+7) and hash2 = g(digest(1)+1)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron let's work an example. say the nonce is 7. this means hash1=f(header+7) and hash2 = g(digest(7)+7)
mircea_popescu: and if i hire an immigrant irishman as a carpenter, that STILL means he's gonna carpent in fucking new york, not that i'm paying his passage back to dublin to make me some doors and window frames there. wtf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, no. they'd have to get in wot and follow teh rules, of course.
asciilifeform: or is there some ~other~ wotless 'proven practice' i don't know about.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435119 << holy fuck, srsly?! mircea_popescu would let somebody liquidate the 750 coin, and try to pay the bettors in fiat, with kyc crapolade, etc. ?!!!11 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435048 << if the nonce is not shifted at all, each digest is good for exactly one nonce. if the nonce is shifted one bit, each digest is good for 2 nonces. if it is shifted 10 bits, 1024 nonces. etc.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435136 << still having a hard time with this. Wouldn't shifting the nonce just leave you with another nonce? I don't understand how it would line up with multiple nonces.. ☝︎
asciilifeform: no such thing in the orc lands.
asciilifeform: hm yeah, crowd gotta hold still long enough to enjoy an impalement