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kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438921 < or to put it in another way 'bitcoin is an inanimate fucking object' ☝︎
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the separate-entities thing
asciilifeform: nubbins`: your contention is that it was impossible for the windfall recipients to return it ?
PeterL: but if I return this doublespend, is it still going to be taken out of my other bets the site is holding?
nubbins`: this is the crux of why alf's wrong here
nubbins`: despite mp's insistence to the contrary.
asciilifeform: merely that it counts against your debt.
asciilifeform: note that i am not arguing that this is a moral obligation ☟︎
asciilifeform: not to mention that ~any~ btc can be sent back to originator addr!!
asciilifeform: PeterL: so you know EXACTLY how to put coin in bbet pocket, it was never a secret.
PeterL: <asciilifeform> but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned. << If I did want to return part of doublespend, where would I send it and be sure MP does not just pocket it?
asciilifeform: he might. but only after i pay the 100.
kakobrekla: the fuck up is in the forgetting it on the bench.
asciilifeform: you can't be a 'people' when you feel like it, and then a 'mechanism' when it suits you.
asciilifeform: whereas if we paint them as 'people,' they then had a ~choice~ re: what to do with the coin.
asciilifeform: because they were paid. just slightly earlier than ought to have been.
asciilifeform: if we can have them be just addresses, the obligation was to ADDRESSES and is SATISFIED
kakobrekla: i thought they were just addresses
asciilifeform: these are supposed to be ~people~ ☟︎
kakobrekla: anyway, care to poke a hole in the rm -rf case?
kakobrekla: i havent noticed anything that would point to that
asciilifeform: but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned.
asciilifeform: the beneficiary addr and the bet amount are literally the ~only~ things we know for certain about them.
asciilifeform: they betted by transmitting a tx.
asciilifeform: the obligation was to the ADDRESSES.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you neither know, nor need to.
ben_vulpes: moreover how does one know that any commenter on bitbet is a bettor? are they 'signing' things with the appropriate privkeys now?
asciilifeform: e.g., tearing apart jungle temple, burying the remains - in shit, banana peels.
kakobrekla: if mp would rm -rf private keys, his linux distro would be the murderer?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now credits the howling monkeys outside of the wot with accomplishing things?
asciilifeform: i can't see how the scumbags who pocketed the doublespend and then whined about bet payout delay, are not accomplices in the murder of bbet.
asciilifeform: whether or not you credit the chinese miners, the sybil net, or the devil, whoever,
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see thread. bbet is already doing many 'other things', from which there is no escape.
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1S6Da1s )
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) February 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1S6Dcqa )
ben_vulpes: so was my ticket to con3, by mthreat.
ben_vulpes: eerily reminiscient of the commerce clause. "in addition to these explicit terms in our favor, we may decide in the future to do other things."
asciilifeform: by that amount.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: nowhere in there does it say "if we overpay and can identify the people to whom we overpaid, we'll clawback funds from those addresses."
asciilifeform: so what then does ben_vulpes give as argument re why the double-send should not count against the obligations remaining ?
asciilifeform: and to try to infer or posit people or whatnot 'behind' the keys, is to introduce chess pieces to a card game
asciilifeform: ergo btc privkeys ARE the playing characters in the game
kakobrekla: from the first paragraph of the bb faq: The beneficiary address is never changed under any circumstances. Please make sure you own it! ☟︎
asciilifeform: i can't see any hole in this wall.
asciilifeform: and given that the only signatures establishing the obligation were btc tx-en, that is to whom it owed.
asciilifeform: whatever repayment obligation bbet has to anyone at all, it was and remains to ADDRESSES, not to 'people', 'persons', or whatever other old world claptrap
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a broker'd not have to share keys with anyone.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:58:19; asciilifeform: if meatbags were abusing bitcoin by sharing a private key, they earned their hell.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438613 << on the n+1 thread, consider also the broker, asciilifeform. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes go through the log, it's argued.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 09:34:25; davout: more generally, it seems an important thing to me that bettor claims should be adjusted by the existence of a a previous double-payout, if any
mircea_popescu: ah ah, you were talking abot yerself! i c.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the stop drinking thing was a rather substantive change in the usual. I think reduced the N in my SNR, but I'm not entirely sure.
BingoBoingo: To discover what the usual is you have to go to the logs, but not before the end of October, because around that time the usual changed
BingoBoingo: mrottenkolber: Oh, the usual
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other lulz, i was looking at 'google map' near $rupturefarm, and found a 'metaphysical chapel.' << I'll have you know I took 500 level metaphysical classes in University
mircea_popescu: or at least while the very earnest eastern whores of the 50s
asciilifeform: first i might eat at the 'cafe saigon'
asciilifeform: one of these days!
asciilifeform: maybe there they do parallel universes!11
asciilifeform: but anyway if it were my job to describe parallel universes, i'd put up a shingle!111
mircea_popescu: i thought the consensus was this reactor should have fired a year ago or w/e.
asciilifeform: but not this.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 12:29:04; asciilifeform: and yes, they had no obligation to send it back, etc. but if they had, there would be no reactor fire, and a still-operating bbet. that isn't about to be auctioned off to spammerz.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438393 << ftr i'm not too sold on this sort of argument. if only the bullet hadn't hit your beloved franz ... then what ? wouldn't have been a war ? he wouldn't have been a man, or a soldier ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: lemme know where to push it.
mircea_popescu: be so kind thx
mircea_popescu: you got a namecheap acct it can be pushed to ?
asciilifeform: what i meant was, whatever the bettors end up getting, will be an output of human caprice.
mircea_popescu: cup a cunt in the left, pick some ~actual numbers~ in the right, watch your eyebrows spin.
mircea_popescu: we got the women for heat, makes a fine engine.
mircea_popescu: no, we like them specifically because cold.
asciilifeform: and our 'equations' have already warmed over, in this case.
asciilifeform: but afaik we like cold equations because they are SOLID and PREDICTABLE, not because cold.
asciilifeform: briefly back to mega-thread, i ~very much see the appeal~ of mircea_popescu's 'cold equations, motherfuckers!' angle.
davout: because as far as the whois is concerned, the domain contact is... chetty
davout: btw, is mircea_popescu in a position to transfer the bitbet.us domain?
mircea_popescu: "these things - you gotta kill them young."
mircea_popescu: bum jumps up, throws the thing to the ground, stomps it into a flat sheet
mircea_popescu: sometime later, bleeding heart rich old lady invites bum over for tea
mircea_popescu: bum of the town falls asleep drunk on railroad. steam engine comes and thrashes him thoroughly. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you know the samovar joke ?
mircea_popescu: fuck or get off the bitch, this trying is giving me hypertension.
mircea_popescu: and no - it moterfucking IS NOT "our obligation to try anyway, mp, try, try".
asciilifeform: i can see this.
mircea_popescu: i recommend blindness, because i fucking well aren't going to be supplying all the candles now required or in the future needed to look in all possible or conceivable dark crevices ; nor do i see who ever could.
asciilifeform: i recommend - the communists.
asciilifeform: my place was merely to suggest ~whom~. which is done.
asciilifeform: but the fella with the scalpel is stuck cutting somebody.
asciilifeform: well not to me obviously.
mircea_popescu: i am deeply sorry to disappoint,
mircea_popescu: power is not given you to finally get even with those you fucking hate.
asciilifeform: i however see the notion of not fucking-with-a-hammer those malodorous thieving swine who silently kept the windfall and LEANED ON THE GROUP, as ultimately very expensive.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: five times.
mircea_popescu: you pistolaccident 60 bitcents to 1fuckinghammer, show up at lemonade stand "i would like a lemonade"
mircea_popescu: mp is out of money and now running a lemonade stand. you take a menu one day strolling by, and on this menu it says : lemonade, 10 bitcents, address 1lemonade ; fucking with a hammer, 12 bitcents, adress 1fuckinghammer.
mircea_popescu: you are missing this :
asciilifeform: how much do i owe him on next tuesday ?
asciilifeform: tomorrow i trip over a cable, fall on a button, accidentally fire pistol, the bullet hits another button, sends him 90 btc. ☟︎