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nubbins`: i
think she had a quote somewhere about 0-fee
tx expectations
too
nubbins`: kakobrekla asciilifeform seems
to be arguing mostly alternate-universe
theories
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>how does creditor know he was paid by debtor? how does debtor know he paid creditor ? <<< obvious answer is when
the input funds are used for payout
kakobrekla: im not sure we are
talking about
the same
thing here
kakobrekla: the question is wrong. you owe him 100, you send 200 and blame
the inanimate fucking object.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 15:43:19; asciilifeform:
tomorrow i
trip over a cable, fall on a button, accidentally fire pistol,
the bullet hits another button, sends him 90 btc.
kakobrekla: the
thing is, i was in charge of x, he was in charge of y. a part of y was 'delivery of bitcoin
to winning addresses' which, by mp claims, was done wrongfully (hence
the charge)
kakobrekla: im aware of
that one i just dont see it here
kakobrekla: if one was interested on which
tx
that was - would need
to look for
that
tx in
the winners addresses history and establish it from
there
kakobrekla: asciilifeform
there was 1
tx per 1 resolved bet
that included all
the winners with respective sums - i guess
this was deemed sufficient proof
PeterL: what do you mean 1% fee spammy,
that is what
they
take as commision
PeterL: is it really
that much bigger
than
the current version? don't
they already do all payout in one
txn?
jurov: PeterL:
these
tx would be BIG
☟︎ PeterL: jurov, wouldn't it be easier, rather
than doing
two
transactions (sweep,
then distribute)
to just do a single? (bets are used
to pay winnings,
the 1%fee
to a bbet company address)
jurov: alternative mechanic brainstorm with current btc: all bets would be scooped
to one address per proposition and winners would pe paid from
there exclusively
☟︎ kakobrekla: in other words: say if i accidental rm -rf
the code and db, who is on
the line here?
jurov: such as, bitbet
to generate "yes" "no" and "refund"
transactions in advance and merely publishes one when
time comes?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 18:59:09; davout: asciilifeform: do you agree
that, if
the 17 btc mp sent a second
time aren't billed
to bbet, it follows
that
this second
transaction can't come in deduction of bbet liabilities
to bettors/addresses?
nubbins`: "if i knew everyone'd be so mad about
these payouts, i would have kept company funds in a separate address"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:12:27; nubbins`: doesn't put enough forethought / planning into
things
davout: jurov: aren't gas and ether
two different
things?
jurov: asciilifeform:
this souds like "should reimplement bitbet with ether, referees just click a button, gas gets released algoritmically, no possibility of human error"
nubbins`: sending 20yearplan all
those posters
to give away
to
tenants
too poor
to own computers, in
the hope of luring
them here (????)
nubbins`: rota mega-loophole comes
to mind
trinque: it was a contract between
two parties.
nubbins`: doesn't put enough forethought / planning into
things
☟︎ nubbins`: imo
that's one of mp's biggest problems
trinque: part of
the lesson here is just how explicitly
the parts of
the agreement involving moving coin *must* be
davout: trinque: see previous comment, approval was usually expressed after
the fact, until it didn't
nubbins`: davout asciilifeform is mixing metaphors like a vitamix
today
davout: asciilifeform: if claims are against addresses you can't assign intentions
to
them!
trinque: davout: yes
that does seem
to cover it clearly,
though it could be argued
that
this fell under existing agreed division of responsibility
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:06:41; nubbins`:
that any weird bullshit has
to get approved by both
nubbins`: if you send BTC
to an address i own, i'm not a
thieving swine regardless of whether you meant
to send it.
nubbins`: it is described in
the manual of common sense what will happen if a fool pays a debt
twice
nubbins`: you clearly failed
to grasp my statement
nubbins`: asciilifeform
this is
taking
this piss even for you.
nubbins`: just as well
to call bbet a
thieving swine for keeping
that poor asshole's 10 btc
that showed up late.
davout: "(d) All decisions with regards
to any aspect of BitBet, measures
taken in regards
to any aspect of BitBet operation, any actions, activities or agreements involving BitBet will require unanimous agreement of all
the representatives of BitBet. Any such decision, measure, action, activity or agreement which fails
to obtain unanimous agreement of all BitBet representatives is void and unenforceable. "
nubbins`: and
this is some weird bullshit
nubbins`: that any weird bullshit has
to get approved by both
☟︎ nubbins`: because it's in
the listing agreement
davout: let's not go down
this road :D
trinque: if mp declared he had loaned
that coin
to his business, who can say otherwise, and why?
davout: asciilifeform: i'd argue communism would actually be
the opposite
davout: PeterL: yeah,
that's pertty much
the conclusion i came
to so far
PeterL: when does Davout make
this big decision?
PeterL: either mp sent his own coin, and recipients get
to keep it, or mp sent bbet coin, and davout would be justified in withholding futher payment from
those addresses
nubbins`: i'm just pointing a finger and calling a
thing by name.
nubbins`: there's no body
to appeal
to for justice
davout: asciilifeform: do you agree
that, if
the 17 btc mp sent a second
time aren't billed
to bbet, it follows
that
this second
transaction can't come in deduction of bbet liabilities
to bettors/addresses?
☟︎ trinque: this idea
that
there will be some social aggregate before which one can cry for justice...
nubbins`: why am i engaging in
this ridiculous broken analogy
davout: jurov:
there's also precedent of dividends being paid
twice for a month, and
then retained from further divs payments
nubbins`: sure, and if it's only used by
the owner
to go ATVing up at his cottage
trinque: there's some ridiculous hotdog chain here in
TX
that owns one iirc with
their absurd logo painted on
trinque: in point of fact you can buy a race car with company funds, wtf is
that
trinque: you are
thinking as someone in
the fiat world