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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is
the priviledge of
the great
to
try and raise
the crowd ; it is
the priviledge of
the crowd
to prove
that
this can not be done. very well specified, and working as intended.
mircea_popescu: it is nice and good
to wish
to
turn some kids into some men. but
the wishing does not do
the
turning, and
they all got
toys
to play with so -
there it goes.
mircea_popescu: i'm not however your motherfather,
to support you no matter where your head goes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get lost with
the bs. i'm going
to do your job ? not fucking interested. you wanna
talk
to him, do, enjoy, who am i
to get in
the way of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going
to read further logs, at all, for as long as nubbins` can speak into
them.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck look at
that crap. i'm done reading
this log, wtf, still with
the idiots
talking ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:51:30; hanbot: <jurov> and it did not use
that
to settle later claims << so when actual operator error occurred, mircea_popescu ate it, and your reaction is basically "hey, if he can pay for
that, he should pay for
this unrelated problem
too! let's him pay for everything!", and
this amidst weeks of bitching about "bad faith"?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 18:20:49; asciilifeform: note
that i am not arguing
that
this is a moral obligation
jurov: how do i "use established good faith
thusly", again?
hanbot: jurov what you've got is neither a point nor a fact but a contention, and while it may inform your opinion on what your own or other people's actions should be,
that is ALL IT CAN DO; it does not in any way grant you
the ability
to use established good faith
thusly.
mircea_popescu: they're boring, for one, and actually unlivable, which is
the same
thing.
mircea_popescu: places like
that are few and far between for good reason.
mircea_popescu: that is a peculiarly convenient place. not all places are like
that.
mircea_popescu: as if you'd have decided where
to eat and where
to shit or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: it's fascinating
that in one field you'd make EXACTLY
the choices you unerstand
to be wrong in
the other.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't result in better security, but does result in more complex rabinic arguments down
the road.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your notion
that anything but "religious matters" exists is quaint and endearing, i guess, but of no practical value or import.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 17:59:46; kakobrekla: from
the first paragraph of
the bb faq:
The beneficiary address is never changed under any circumstances. Please make sure you own it!
mircea_popescu: you realise
this sort of argument is actually a very highly skilled, expensive sort of job.
mircea_popescu: yes but you can't simply be argued out of a position
then come back with it
two hours later.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 18:03:06; asciilifeform:
they were PAID.
danielpbarron: the pages for
those other bets do not display
the correct amounts... no?
danielpbarron: sure it doesn't fit in with your retro-actively claiming
the double payment was actually a partial early payment of other bets..
danielpbarron: look at
the bet page for a resolved bet. You'll see
that BitBet claims how much it has sent and
to which address it has been sent.
This is sufficient for agreement.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 20:14:39; asciilifeform: if we're subscribing
to
the 'all coin is fungible' religion,
then mixers are a heresy.
PeterL: if mp would share mpb
txn-fee setting algorithm,
then you could say why
PeterL: asciilifeform mpb apparently calculated his
transaction did not need one, it was wrong
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:31:01; jurov: PeterL:
these
tx would be BIG
jurov: so, what is he going
to
test next
time? and how would i know hw wont decide do
to bill it against me?
jurov: which fact he vehementhly denies and bullshits around, straining MY good will in
the process
jurov: hanbot i want first and foremost
to clarify
the point
that mp, by mucking with zerofee
tx, left
the car unlocked overnight in dark alley
hanbot: jurov if i got plastered and proceeded
to crash my car into your house last week and paid for
the damages without question, and
this week i'm carjacked and hit your house again, you may not use
the fact
that i happily paid for
the former incident as proof
that i should pay for
the latter, and you may *especially* not attempt
to use it as proof while complaining about my "bad faith"
jurov: well,
then i utterly don't get it
hanbot: jurov> kakobrekla hanbot is
trying
to explain
to everyone << no dude. i'm
trying
to point out
to YOU
that YOU are abusing established good faith.
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> ddoes bitbet need
to be a mixer? << It was a cool side effect
danielpbarron: no reason it shouldn't be.
the above proposition fixes a non-problem
PeterL: ddoes bitbet need
to be a mixer?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:26:54; jurov: alternative mechanic brainstorm with current btc: all bets would be scooped
to one address per proposition and winners would pe paid from
there exclusively
kakobrekla: too bad i realize
this only now, otherwise would have made such error more often.
jurov: well, if you made coding error resulting in 18BTC loss, pushing it
to shareholders as "cost of doing business with C machines" would be perfectly fine
kakobrekla: but
this clearly no longer is
the case in #b-a
kakobrekla: and im
trying
to explain
that i should be paying for everything im liable for and he should be paying for everything he is liable for.
jurov: and how and whys of
this is not
to be discussed in any shape or form,
to avoid upsetting
things
jurov: kakobrekla hanbot is
trying
to explain
to everyone
that mp, by covering operator error and covering other expenses, earned
the moral right
to sometimes shift
the bill
to
the shareholders as he deems fit
☟︎ kakobrekla: but if you can go around losing bitcoins as you please without consequences
the whole
thing is, how do you say, moot
kakobrekla: and im not saying his job was easy - hence did not want
to handle deposits from day 1
kakobrekla: and if i delete
the bitbet code is mp going
to do half
the coding?
jurov: yes, fucking gall seriously, sending zerofee
tx for ANY reason :)
hanbot: <jurov> and it did not use
that
to settle later claims << so when actual operator error occurred, mircea_popescu ate it, and your reaction is basically "hey, if he can pay for
that, he should pay for
this unrelated problem
too! let's him pay for everything!", and
this amidst weeks of bitching about "bad faith"?
☟︎ nubbins`: and
the division of funds exists on paper only
nubbins`: jurov if you'll recall, mp is strictly not doing
this
jurov: that every account in
the accounting should have its own btc address
nubbins`: send funds
to bet addr. funds remain
there. winners and house grab are paid from same.
jurov: this can maybe even be abstracted
to whole double or
triple point accounting
jurov: nubbins`: no, he proposes strictly determined flow of bitcoins
through bitbet