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mircea_popescu: im curious what shall come of this.
phf: two types of references that are fairly easy to produce are back links (that's the one working) and << refs that aren't quite there yet
phf: there's basically a generic annotation-tron, that walks in memory log entries (on account of the whole past b-a log neatly fitting into 130mb of ram)
phf: ^ that one was easy guess on account of there being like many of those too
mircea_popescu: ("which one ? there's lots!" "aha.")
mircea_popescu: do you speak farsi ? do you know that line with the candleflame ?
phf: well, would not be the first for a lisper
mircea_popescu: you understand you're trying to build ai, yes ?
mircea_popescu pours himself a glass of popcorn, waits for phf to fully ensnare himself in the monstruous task he's contemplating.
phf: up is superfluous really on account of there being a link, but down lets you see what was referenced later
phf: up goes to previous entry, down goes to follow ups
mircea_popescu: what's with teh hands ?
asciilifeform: phf: how does this work
mircea_popescu: historically, romanian army conquered the city, derps as they are moved straight into the previous high command. which the soviets had mined. and the romanians didn't bother to check. so it blew up.
mircea_popescu: and to make the story whole : odessa, also marks, misfortune.
phf: asciilifeform: there's a good kebab place in vienna which is a 30 minute drive for me, but i still make the trip from time to time, it's worth it. the food is OK, but the atmosphere is very "faux upscale tehran"
asciilifeform: somewhere in the 1,000,000,001 things-i-hate-about-usaschwitz is that it is a world with no past.
phf: haha, yes, it's there and it's exactly how i imagined it in person. very medieval christian soldier
mircea_popescu: roughly equivalent to "here's this shit we captured off fucking isis!"
mircea_popescu: phf a right, stefan' sword still there neh /
phf: can see plenty of romanian swag at the kopkapi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, turkey is covered in the sad marks of the misfortune of being too close to romania. the old port to this day carries an inscription explaining how romanian inept handling of explosives burned the whole thing down.
mircea_popescu: for your peace of mind it was there a decade ago also, had a lulz with chetty at teh same pretense.
mircea_popescu: i think i still have teh pictures somewhere.
mircea_popescu: you don't mean the one where they display king carol ist of romania's approval, do you ?
phf: but my favorite was restaurant on bosphorus. it was intended to be upscale, so they had those middle eastern style stern servers all wearing white and failing at simple tasks, but the kebab was rich and juicy
asciilifeform: lulzy how we are having this thread just as i am about to walk into shit city and eat shit
mircea_popescu: i ended up hitting it 2x every time i was by, something else that place. tiny shop too, 100 feet of corner or such.
phf: there was two places within galata walking distance that we liked
mircea_popescu: imo best in town.
mircea_popescu: did you find that extraordinary kebab shop, 2 squares down from galata ?
mircea_popescu: phf you ever been to istanbul ?
mircea_popescu: village is one large wot, practically, once demand exceeds the pig, off its head goes.
mircea_popescu: if rich however, everyone raises pigs, cuts by arrangement, fresh meat 2-3 times a week
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is ~ how romanian village works. if poor, everyone raises pig, cuts for xmas, makes traditional preserves.
phf: of course, you can move to istanbul and have excellent kebab every day, but of course you'll have to work for usg expat style, since who else needs programmers
mircea_popescu: a feast fit for the peasant's table!
phf: but i've said that before, there are places in u.s. where food is good verging on excellent. there are couple of places in dc (pasta mia in adams morgan, temari in rockville) that have good food, but they are far and few
mircea_popescu: but... all things can be fixed, and there's jewish butchers in new york and plenty of italians in boston and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: when i first left romania, "everyone" was pretty sure that ain't never happening. even had driver carry distraught damsel all the way to airport, 400 miles, and then carry her bawwing earthly coil back to cluj.
asciilifeform: food is just the most immediately palpable pleasure of going outside the jail.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the infecta is the infecta!
mircea_popescu: and in fairness food was always why you wanted TO move,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you might have me mixed with TaT
mircea_popescu: that'd complete teh infecta.
phf: i'll keep that in mind
mircea_popescu: i hope to one day live to see alf unable to leave because love.
asciilifeform: phf: i utterly forget the name, but it is on dupont
mircea_popescu: who are you to judge.
phf: asciilifeform: you know the name of that cellar?
PeterL: asciilifeform arn't you the one who is always complaining you can't move because you need "real food"? yet now you say you have none where you are?
asciilifeform: phf: on occasion i go to this cellar in old dc where a buncha turks make ~actual ice cream.
phf: asciilifeform: we structure our lives very differently, so point taken
asciilifeform: aha suuure i will drive 1000km to eat.
mircea_popescu: hey, you wanted me to belabourate!
phf: there are some good icecream places. go to franklin fountain in philadelphia for example
asciilifeform: but every so often i will eat it, because there is not another.
mircea_popescu: i cringe still, the fucking nonsensical horror.
mircea_popescu: she just has a speech about her dog trudy.
mircea_popescu: there sits the chick, confronted with some vacationing kids, she has not the werewithal to ACCEPT their offer for a ride
mircea_popescu: phf think on just one thing : i also train women to be human. oft they get a task to talk to random people. they NEVER get a fucking task to memorize and recite random strings.
mircea_popescu: ONE GUY survived. but i had 1k+ of the things, and god damned i used most.
phf: there was that "if i were an evil overlord thing i will and won't do" list, which ranted on that point
mircea_popescu: you recall the white-and-red rectangle he ?
mircea_popescu: it did rock. i once won an attack by the fucking muttons with he.
asciilifeform grasps the point
mircea_popescu: the hangars were bad enough on the defense.
mircea_popescu: but imagine if the fucking base was full of corridors omfg!
mircea_popescu: so yes exceptions do exist. but the fact remains that the fucking reason you even take your base to the desert is to be free of this bs.
asciilifeform: just about every respectably old dwelling with a cellar was believed to have some hidden entrance into catacomb.
asciilifeform: incidentally odessa catacombs had no purpose in the usual sense. they were simply cavity from limestone quarry for the city above.
asciilifeform: a fragment of an old kgb map did once surface, and, lulzily, had markings '10cm', '20cm', etc. old map keeper was asked: 'what are these? cm of water?'
asciilifeform: legendarily, there is no map.
asciilifeform: incidentally odessa catacombs continue to eat idiot american tourists.
asciilifeform: and in fact continued as a thing well into gunpowder age (undermining worked 10x better with kegs of powder than with ordinary dig-tunnel-with-wood-supports-then-burn-them method of old)
mircea_popescu: heck, most of ladri de biciclete, a1950s film, takes part in the underground vaults of rome.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. but as far as cultural impact goes, the catacombs (ie, burial site in old city) were much more important.
asciilifeform: and were in fact 'corridors to nowhere'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anti-undermine tunnel grids EXISTED
mircea_popescu: there were some tubes, used to throw rocks from very high parapets, later on
phf: well, it's also doom 1 map convention "if it looks cool and complicated and lets you run through it's a base"
mircea_popescu: it has no such root. castles were expensive, because of the stone. ~nobody built anything without a very good purpose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the original trope of 'fortress with many corridors going nowhere' has a root in history: anti-undermining tunnel systems from medieval times. largely undocumented (passed by word of mouth) and in some cases survived to 19th c., spawning the meme.
mircea_popescu: no fucking research facility, let alone super-whatever base is designed like that!
mircea_popescu: why, because that's what the imbecile making the movie saw in star wars ?
mircea_popescu: super-mega-ultra-splendiferous fucking advanced computabase consists mostly of fucking tunnels and corridors going nofucking where.
phf: asciilifeform: those dead bushido masters made drawn swords go "schwink" on video, but i assume that's an intentional skill
mircea_popescu: incontinent break of convention is the sign of ignorance.
mircea_popescu: if you'\re going to use the typically new york sewer escape scense
mircea_popescu: right. there's nothing wrong with artistic license ; or with artistic convention.
asciilifeform: the 'escape through sewers' thing is similar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they wore black on stage because invisible. there's good reason for this!
mircea_popescu: sweet innocent girl sitting next to me watching the apcs storm past the sewer was like "don't they know where the sewer is ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wore whatever blended in with the scenery (e.g., enemy uniform)
mircea_popescu: there's a very good reason the character wears black. there is no fucking convention re the open storm sewer in the desert.
mircea_popescu: no, they DID.
mircea_popescu: what if the chicken plant 20 miles down has an accident and sends a 7 foot tall chickenshitsludge tsunami ? does your base smell of chicken shit for the next three decades ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck designs bases with open storm sewer into the desert ? what if it's a fucking rain, your base gets wet ?
mircea_popescu: a lot less humourless tedium and unselfaware, unintentional self-irony critting would have also helped.
mircea_popescu: and unlike there, they actually needed a waif someone could conceivably want to fuck, here.