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BingoBongo: Glad I took this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/175/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-stay-above-14-88-and/
gesell: i want to understand, but cant. not that im complaining
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I have a present for you in your mailbox :)
jurov: btw, is the assapi public? i mean, mpex side of it
jurov: well, live.coinbr uses rss. but so far i did not notice missing trades there
kakobreklaa: which remembers me i promissed some dude ill add it to bitbet
gesell: no i meant is there a delay from the values showing up here and showing up on the rss
mircea_popescu: 3`908 S.MPOE @0.00066401 i see as most recent one.
mircea_popescu: i would guess every time you reload it ?
pigeons: hmm i wonder is BASIC-MINING intended to mine with bASICs
jurov: i suspect not very high. over time there will be enough ppl willing to assassinate him
mircea_popescu: i have no idea
jurov: yes, i mean it as law understands it
mjr_: jurov: you mean debasement as in melting down US coins? Cuz you are actually increasing the average value i would imagine
jurov: lol i realized if some tards succeed to get btc recognized as currency, they can be prosecuted for debasement whenever their hdd crashes without backups
mjr_: no i know
pigeons: yes, i've contributed to them
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking keep track of them anymore, it's all a blur. plus when i go to type into the url bar i have to type an entire word!
mircea_popescu: since we're giving gesell reading lists, http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
gesell: (the bible talks about a 1000 year reign of peace and tranquility. I wonder if in the end we will realize this is dependent on the dificulting of factoring 'n' into p and q)
jurov: mjrIII, btw i just added calculator to coinbr options exercise screen, if you have bought any options you can click on Exercise and see the estimated yield.
gesell: author of colored coin argues for using bitcoin blockchain is better than deploying a new chain due to security of pooled hashrate. other options given are subject to the long tail of adoption. also, still going through it, appears to focus on tie tokens to assets. the asset of a widgetA isnt so important to me as the reputation of the source (rx addr) for widgetA. So I have to contemplate how to use colored coin for reputation. but ignorin
pigeons: looks like colored coins is your best bet for that, but i still don't think the bitcoin blockchain is the best place
gesell: i dont want to use use the or a blockchain as a database but also use it as the means for discovery of services, as well as the store and discovery for reputation
pigeons: blockchain.info is slick, but i hate it when people think it is "official" or the only one
gesell: i know but somehow i think if you kill the special widget blockchain front end (widgetblockchain.info) it would take a while to adjust.
gesell: yeah i hear the question. im sure it might be. dont want to contemplate it
kakobreklaa: i forgot
gesell: yeah i know namecoin. learning about colored coins
kakobreklaa: the other thing is, how am i going to leave feedback?
gesell: could someone use the blockchain to sell widgets locally? That is, I sell two types of widgests: WidgetA for 1btc and WidgetB for 2btc. You want to buy WidgetA. You send 1btc to 1WidgetA1234560abcdeff rx with a message embedded where where you want it shipped. I mean, couldnt this be a service to kill silkroad?
mircea_popescu: i mean sure ppl would get excited, but so what of it ? fpga ss till hash
mircea_popescu: tbh i doubt avalon turning out to be a scam tomorrow would do anything to the price.
gesell: beh, wish i understood typical finance more (slow going) but interesting read
mircea_popescu: that was, as best i can guess, someone insuring a large btc obligation (via the calls) and someone trying to mommentum trade (short puts)
gesell: (i mean wtf was all that huge option btc stuff going on at mpex in the chat log you put up on your blog)
mircea_popescu: i'd know.
gesell: so i also feel this huge weight lifted
gesell: yeah i agree but...
mircea_popescu: as best i can guess the effect you describe is a result of the regulatory interplay in fiat.
mircea_popescu: i doubt that can be done in btc.
gesell: maybe i dont have my thoughts clear. im more wondering if we will start to see the little guy (even if smart in finance) feeling he can do nothing in BTC markets because he will always be out smarted by those (even with the same understanding as him in finance) that have more BTC to play
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's any requirement for collectivism. in fact, the main seductive guile of btc to me is how prettily it completely decouples success from any sort of collective action whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: i can't define what smarter is.
mircea_popescu: gesell i guess what started things was the dwindling supply of bitcoins due to reward halving a month or so ago
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&
Namworld: I'm off for now
Namworld: I can't cancel orders
mircea_popescu: it's neither practical nor available best i can see.
Namworld: can I have a free test account for my tool development, mircea?
jurov: hi all... what did i woke up to?
maximian: looks like messages are being wrapped in HTML, which I don't recall happening before
mjrIII: thanks everyone, i gotta run but i'll be on later
gesell: maybe i wasnt clear, im looking for the BTC/USD to show up just in the title of the webpage (<title>$19.25</title>)
mjrIII: i use chrome
gesell: anyone know a website with the ticker price in the title of the page, so that i can just open a tab and look at the tab instead of opening pages or spreadsheets?
mjrIII: see if i can get a spot on mpex :)
mjrIII: well, until my FPGA mining comes on line, I need to get in now
mjrIII: **that was sarcasm in case anyone thinks i am a rich a$$hole**
mircea_popescu: other than otc they're the only ones i ever used. not really much of an expert in tradsing btc for fiat.
mjrIII: i didn't get to go to davos this year lol
mjrIII: i am assuming yurp is europe right?
mjrIII: but i am in NYC
mjrIII: but i will look into bitcoin-central.net
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's going through mtgox by now lol
mjrIII: i just really did not want to go through mt. gox
mjrIII: well, thats the other thing...i like the fact i can use ING p2p
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
mjrIII: i don't want to take any usd out, just bitcoins
mjrIII: i loved the fact that they offer liquidity rebates
mjrIII: yeah i heard a little about that, but i heard also that people did get bitcoins
gesell: anyway, i read that whole thread
gesell: mircea_popescu: btw do you block access to your blog from certain IP's? when im on from home (which is via a proxy at all times, out of my control) I cant get to your blog. but now, i can (in a different location atm)
mircea_popescu: gesell heh. i guess you weren't here when people dumped all the way to .0008. read http://trilema.com/2013/marketplace-excitement-with-expert-commentary-for-your-vicarious-trading-pleasure/ to catch up
Bowjob: I guess I'll crash it
mircea_popescu: gesell last i heard was 10k over no ?
gesell: whats the state of S.DICE. Is he going to break even this month? (what I thought I was seeing from the bitcointalk thread). Why the dumping of stock?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what "consensus" that is. but no, not ok in any estimation.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather hope nobody is foolish enough to be using it.
mjrIII: but if anyone is using bitfloor, i suggest you check out the orders on their books :)
mjrIII: i hate how slow real world finance is
Bowjob: i wanna win the guess the prize contest
BUgpowder: god this is all going EXACTLY how I imagined it would happen
mjrIII: but one question, how do you clear the options trades? if I have the option to buy at $20 USD, don't I have to send mpex/broker USD...how can you do this through mpex? hold on i will read the faq again
Bowjob: mp, i thought of US govt trying to do an investigation on mpex, then they read the FAQ. They read, "Yes, this is dog." then they just leave
mjrIII: I really love mpex by the way...
mircea_popescu: <mjrIII> and then would send it to me? << i should hope so.
mjrIII: and yes, i would really like to
mjrIII: i was curious about that
Namworld: I'll need to put that in my bookmarks
Namworld: I only see one mention in the FAQ and it's unrelated
Namworld: How do I put funds in MPBOR?
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see any investing of bitcoins in fiat is very risky, speculative and dangerous.
mircea_popescu: i have a lot of conviction.
Bowjob: I wish I had a bit more conviction.. I'm so indecisive when it comes to BTC :/
maximian: True. I always laugh when people make predictions like that with such conviction.
Bowjob: down? up? I'm confused
Bowjob: Mhm, I'm wondering what will happen to the price once the rest of the Asics ship?
maximian: I wonder what "BTC Economist" is thinking now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27348.0
Namworld: I require a large margin for options...