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mircea_popescu: Namworld if you want i can sign it for you. then whoever wants to say you changed it will also have to say i signed a new version.
mircea_popescu: and also it's a fine example of what'd go into the bitcoin-assets registrar of deeds.
mircea_popescu: the absolutely ideal system, imo, would be a server that used the same secret for ALL PLAYERS and reset it (for all players) at any player's request. but this poses problems for anon players.
mircea_popescu: if hash may be revealed at any random point, this is suddenly problematic
mircea_popescu: now, if you know when the hash will have to be revealed, this is possible
mircea_popescu: 1.2 btc bet comes in. server looks at results, A wins, B loses. server picks its hash as B and reconstructs the merkle tree
mircea_popescu: ie, either "A" or "B" would give the 0.1 and 0.2 bets same results.
mircea_popescu: at this point, server is also mining, and knows that hash "B" would also be consistent with the history so far.
mircea_popescu: server seed is "A". 0.1 btc comes in, is calculated. wins or loses.
mircea_popescu: Namworld do you see why the jd "show on request" model is slightly stronger for fairness than the "fixed time disclosure" ?
mircea_popescu: client's last deposit tx is good, and a lot of space in there in the block in case it's needed.
mircea_popescu: the coinroll "end of the day disclosure" method is also acceptable. it may be open to abuse for low volume sites (based on finding hash collisions, much in the same way mining works) but doesn't seem too practical
mircea_popescu: but anywqay, this entire paper is not about server cheating, it's about how "if you're lazy and stupid you might lose". sure. as it should be. let people make proper betting bots with seeding per bet
mircea_popescu: jd for instance allows you to run 0 bet sampling rounds of infinite size.
mircea_popescu: Namworld "No, you wouldn't be able to notice that the website, across all players, has a much higher house edge than 1% which is unlikely. It's easy to fill with fake "lucky" account to compensate " << you could notice it over your own experience.
mircea_popescu: play all the games that meanwhile died, from ancient egypt and fenicia to chemin-du-fer
mircea_popescu: punkman i never got bacarrat, but you know what might be a good idea ?
mircea_popescu: Namworld stop being stubborn. if you put up text like that you need a blog. how's someone going to comment on it for instance ? how's someone coming in 1 year know what was already commented ?
mircea_popescu: 1. Client changes the seed after each new server seed, before every bet. He doesn't know server seed, so seed he provides should give a random number. (Painfully tedious, few actually do it, but for those who do, provably fair.) << prolly a bot that does this would be useful.
mircea_popescu: remember that guy a year or so ago threatening to kill kako's plushie toys
mircea_popescu: pankkake i'll have to revisit that nao that nasdaq wants to join teh fray :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what <<< mike_c i think we should cater to this guy :D
mircea_popescu: mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p << how do you fit a girl in a lightbulb ?
mircea_popescu: reading the logs, you bunch have been at this "let's fuck up dns" for a while by now huh
mircea_popescu: chetty and then they wonder why i keep saying stupid === poor.
mircea_popescu: rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this <<< was it more than a car ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, want to disprove tardstalk scam of the week ? nobody will give you 10 bitcents if you can ha-ha!
mircea_popescu: punkman what's a standard for if not pissing all over it ?
mircea_popescu: you know, "why do i get a fail message when im not doing anything"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional << funny how that works huh.
mircea_popescu: i think someone needs to send argentina team an ugrend proposal
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! << it's tiny, 15 btc total.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, now that mike_c is up he's prolly going to put bitcoin in once he's done destroying altcoin dns