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jborkl: a shitty clone of it
mircea_popescu: a. you buy s.mpoe shares b. you try and make a competitor.
asciilifeform: jborkl: true, just as there is no semiconductor plant owner with the good sense to drop some of his pocket change on building a million ASIC miners and running them in his own mansion.
asciilifeform: jborkl: no, not a random arse, someone with a good reputation, hypothetically
mircea_popescu: once that happened it's impossible to finance a clone anymore.
jborkl: Wait, I trust MP - so who is this you are proposing? Just some random asshole with a website?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure what the incentive is exactly. you'd finance a clone rather than buy shares because ... ?
asciilifeform: what I'm rather hazy on is how well MPEx would hold up against a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam" (AFAIK none of the MPEx competitors have met this standard) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "if the next trade happens a year or so from now i'll be very happy"
asciilifeform: ok, someone else with a bag full of BTC and a resonably good meatspace reputation, then.
mircea_popescu: he'd open a 1000 btc one first, he'd partner with me 2nd.
asciilifeform: Ok, let's see if I understand: the 30 BTC is for keeping MPEx a market full of people who measure 1000 times "before cutting once." No trendoids, etc. Now let's say Warren Buffet (or somesuch) opens WBEx, charging 1 BTC.
ezdiy: black boxes give room to a lot of speculation
jborkl: Mp, has a stellar reputation. Unless you beleive asshole trolls and other people that are poor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a complicated web. no one has the competence, or the capital, or the reputation, or the connections, etc etc
benkay: and when money is involved as a core part of the business, many of your customers will in fact be bad customers without quality control.
asciilifeform: ezdiy: I'm not clamouring to buy an MPEx account for a penny, just objecting to the notion that the fee is somehow different from taxi medallions
truffles: back him into a corner here
mircea_popescu: sorta like a union
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I imagine you could buy a medallion and sell it the next day, if you wanted to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there a way i can run a cab in london just for a day ?
asciilifeform: benkay: the bureaucrats (in practice) own NYC, and charge whatever the hell they want for taxi licenses. a bar can charge for entrance. nothing wrong with that. what I'm unclear on is why the MP fee is a different kind of animal.
benkay: asciilifeform what's the real name, then? medallions are a competition inhibitor, the exchange seat fee is just an "are you serious" check
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's like saying that "eTrade" with its $x/trade fees is a perfectly good alternative to a seat on the NYSE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't have a problem with rickshaws per se.
asciilifeform: MP has said, in essence, that he doesn't want MPEx to become a Shanghai crawling with the equivalent of rickshaws.
asciilifeform: IMHO taxi medallions are a fair comparison. They, just as the MPEx fee, exist to keep the riffraff out.
truffles: sounded like a legit altcoin
asciilifeform: benkay: may as well ask how the cost of a NYC taxi medallion relates to the cost of the bureaucrat's pen that signs the paperwork.
benkay: fly them to romania on a carrier pigeon
truffles: seeing that this is bitcoin i thought things would be a bit different
truffles: i guess one must pay for a seat ..
benkay: truffles, how much does a seat on the NYSE cost?
mircea_popescu: well you can register a new one and push to it.
mircea_popescu: dubious from a security pov maybe
truffles: im not a potential investor sorry
Technologov__: That investment is a new company.
truffles: if i were a rich person id have no problems investing ofc, alas im not
Technologov__: And as any start-up investments, it brings you a certain amount of risk-reward.
jcpham: You rated user diatonic on Mon Mar 11 14:26:46 2013, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Attempted and pre-paid for 24 hour mining lease. Unforseeable circumstances changed our plans..
Technologov__: any large company has a data-center those days.
Technologov__: I did not had either until a week ago ^^
truffles: "This bird has flown" such a boss
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: Oh I found a very interesting thread for you.
jcpham: perfect storm, a jeweler, a criminal, and a book
jcpham: not sure a single master key falls under byzantine failover
jcpham: pretty dumb for a prison
jcpham: a device that makes thousands of bucks a day potentially is a security risk
jcpham: nah pool won't accept a share for shit
Technologov__: going from 20 to 80 GH/s (in a MONTH !!!) can not be done via GPU.
jcpham: that's just a chart
imsaguy: BTCOxygen: a few.
BTCOxygen: Its a cgminer feature.
BTCOxygen: Also there a many users posting about their Avalon on bitcointalk.
Technologov__: If this graph would be flat, I would buy a GPU, and not believe into ASIC lore.
jcpham: 100-400GH/s was struggling to keep up a few months back
jcpham: but they have produced a product
mircea_popescu: jcpham its literally not that hard to do. get a journo dood to post nonsense ? 100 bux or w/e
Technologov__: More probably they will keep to themselves. (so their accepted BTC might be a scam)
Technologov__: BTCOxygen, and I have a fear about similar fate with Avalon ASICs
mircea_popescu: not if you're in the wot. took him all of a day oir w./e
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: He recieved in small chunks with a total of 100,000 before he ran away.
Technologov__: As a small investor, I know it for sure.
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: He was paying a high interest rate to users who invested with him.
Technologov__: How an investor be a scammer ?
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: pirateat40 was a scammer.
mircea_popescu: he's trying to start a personality cult
jurov: yes a cat is there, zoom moar
MJR_: anyone here know of a quick cash option?
Scrat: as you said it's a lot of dough upfront
jcpham: it's a great idea but you'll need more of a following
imsaguy: anyone saying a 10x diff hike is nbd is crazy
gribble: Error: "generate" is not a valid command.
Cylta: Can I create options? and do I have to keep a balance to cover them? (and what do I have to do with puts, because they may cost ~inf in case if price will go to 0)?
imsaguy: Scrat: it happens to those with a reading level below the american fourth grade
imsaguy: Chaang-Noi, they've been promising for a while
jcpham: -otc is a terrible place to sell the idea
ThickAsThieves: its a moot point, like Chaang says, they don't need anything
Chaang-Noi: why take a risk with no gain?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: AM needs to sign if its a passthrough?
Chaang-Noi: mp, friedcat will never sign a contract
mircea_popescu: imsaguy the day they sign a contract.
imsaguy: make a synthetic
imsaguy: a passthrough for the passthroughs
imsaguy: I think asicminer needs a passthrough on mpex
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: I was on a trip
jcpham: mp has a following?
Troic_: its a virtual lobby for mp ?
Girlfawkesy: I dunno, I got a message on reddit
Chaang-Noi: its a scam mp?
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha dude bought a $5 ad in an ad paper
Chaang-Noi: fine its a trust issue,
Chaang-Noi: it is a personal invite to his party, i dont think i should share it word for word
mircea_popescu: you know he has a party or gathering or something in finland? <<< Ahahahah
truffles: are your panties in a bunch about new money too?
kakobrekla: "its time to make a change" cause you defo wont be "making a bank"
Chaang-Noi: who the fuck uses a web wallet? i understand maybe the troll had one but a guy with 24k or 2.4k lol
Chaang-Noi: he sent from a fucking web wallet
Chaang-Noi: we are not even sure if he has money or is just a troll
Chaang-Noi: kako i cant tell if he is some silver hot shot invester who made money in the run up and now did well in btc in the last 4 months or is just a full scammer