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mircea_popescu: and
then we have gosspid and bitcoin and
they have ms fly sim. win-win.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
think about
this for a second. so ms makes its windows key ; and i make my short run mp key. why not ?
mircea_popescu: trinque but
that wouldn't be a "general purpose" item would it ?
trinque: I'd put one at
the edge of my network and never look back
trinque: I'd love for
that
thing
to be on entirely *specific* hardware
that does only
that, perfectly
mircea_popescu: it's already most of
the way
there as it is, hence all
the butthurt.
trinque: "all
the fun shit is happening in
there and you can't come"
trinque: yep, I was wondering at whether
those were conflated
mircea_popescu: while you can rely on 1 you have one environment, and it's what
the boys here miss. not "general purpose computer"
mircea_popescu: absent
the ovester feminists and other idiots who wanted
to cheerlead because it was popular,
mircea_popescu: trinque
the idea more or less is
that once you get rid of
the power rangers, maintenance becomes 10k easier a
task.
trinque: if
there are 10k computer users in
the world, how many of
them
to allocate
to gentoo maintenance?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you
two just agreed above it's hopeless!
mircea_popescu: and
the whole discussion re systemd above is quite germane : even "with"
this so called "general purpose in
the sense of we dunno what exacrtly" computer of
today,
mircea_popescu: the only problem being, of course,
that
the cure
to living among idiots is
to stop living among idiots, it can't be resolved with some sort of peculiar computing choice or other.
mircea_popescu: the fact is
that living among idiots damages
the brain. ask ustard kids about us history, you'll hear some lulz.
mircea_popescu: so
THIS is perhaps
the strongest argument i see against my earlier position.
mircea_popescu: no but i don't say
to disparage. i say
to explain. for him,
this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: for local flavour :
the man runs lamp locally like a sort of super-excel.
mircea_popescu: they ACTUALLY are "well i can't
tHI?NK about
this bs!"
mircea_popescu: imagine
that, he found bugs in my fucking client, and i mean
that plural. yet... in
the end... he can't work with it because he's from windows, and
the requirements
that puts on him are not merely "well you gotta convert
to sql for mysql"
mircea_popescu: basically, guy's problem is
that eulora is unworkable because IT IS NOT CENTRALIZED ENOUGH.
mircea_popescu: and in
the end ? alikim "the
trouble" or rather a sad fact is
that instead of maintaining one resource everyone maintains
their own
mircea_popescu: runs into
trouble with data interchange, such as for instance going from csv
to sql
takes him hours of hand labour
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of microshit and all
that :
the experience of
this alikim fellow in #eulora constituted a shattering moment for me. so, let me summarize :
mircea_popescu: and
the ploy
to convince
them
that
the way into
the future is "being anonymous", and especially
THE FACT
THAT IT WORKS is no end of high comedy
mircea_popescu: in some manner or other, "common man"
that "just wanted
to" will crash against
the wall of "wot or
take a hike"
mircea_popescu: it came
to its bitter end, in wikipedia articles, reddit and
twitter opinions, and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: "we" as in,
the relevant part of
the species,
tried
this whole "every life is precious - every life is sacred"
thing. because we got scared of ww2, and bla bla.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no reason
to have computers in shop like bread and porn mags.
mircea_popescu: today,
they are.
they will not be able
to support
this. no matter what you do,
they aren't smart enough for it.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the economic issues are incontrovertible.
the "general computer" as killer micro is an 80s
thing because white people were not mentally ill and mentally retarded
then.
mircea_popescu: man
that wrote on paper was chinese. your ancestors wrote on hide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not only maglev : but
the driving
TRAIN. and for
this reason.
mircea_popescu: phf it's not "but everything's always open", it's more "the reason
this space is closing is because losing relevancy, and you'd be fools
to focus on it if
true"
mircea_popescu: trains
that work vertically are also called elevators.
phf: well, perhaps
this argument is frustrating because we arguing
that certain kind of space is closing, and you seem
to be responding with but everything's always open
mircea_popescu: there is a definition of
train, quite mathematical : if
the driving power is
transmitted via
tyre, you have a car. if
transmitted via rigid assemblage -
track. if
transmitted via rigid assemblage working against a rail -
train.
mircea_popescu: there is no way, nor could
there be a way, for you
to put
these
two in a syllogism.
mircea_popescu: they are not even
the same kind. open is a measure of an undefined property.
mircea_popescu: you understand
that just as
there's no bridge between "this is what math says" and "this is what our cryptosystem does",
there's no bridge between
the words you use ?
mircea_popescu: now hush about all
this and go make me actual homomorphic encryption so i can compute platform-independent.
phf: asciilifeform:
that's insufficient even for our immediate needs. you can
turingcomplete on it, but so can nsa
mircea_popescu: "oh,
this seems really hard
to me - it must be impossible!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are engaging in
the behaviour you derride re folks making cryptosystems, and in spades!
mircea_popescu: so much so
the more astute artists actually use it as a characterisation device.
mircea_popescu: which is in all
times and places
the universal characteristic of geekdom
phf: well, in
that case i'm just sad
that
things have
to die
mircea_popescu: this is directly resultant from
thermodynamics, and allows no exceptions.
mircea_popescu: so as
time goes by, any arbitrary definition of open must converge
to closed.
mircea_popescu: you don't know what
to measure, because open means, definitionally, exactly
this.
mircea_popescu: phf your measure of "open" is always going
to be flawed, in
the sense
that it's a version of "general fights last war".
phf: i
think my lament is
that
the possibility space is closing,
the kind of substrate
that allows for a global optimization problem like "pirated movies"
to resolve is being gradually eliminated in a counter optimization. i'm warning a potential collapse, mp's arguing
that
the space is always open
mircea_popescu: the argument is here
that a)
that joke passed for serious back
then ; b)
there can not be such a
thing as "serious" in
this application.
trinque: back when windows mattered it was
trivially and ubiquitously pirated
☟︎ mircea_popescu: take
that away, you're back
to literotica runs on bbsomeshit