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mircea_popescu: hey, at least
the girl scouts get oral sex badges. progrss!
shinohai: I
thought it was hilarious
that half of Alabama's infrastructure was shut down
today. State holiday, who knew.
shinohai forgot
to wish BingoBoingo a happy Confederate Memorial Day.
pete_dushenski: fueled by
that killer dice debate, i'm off
to
the races gents. bon soir a
tous!
shinohai: asciilifeform: I can sub,it public key
to phuctor or is down?
mircea_popescu: cheaper for her
to get a dildo
than
to
turn you into one.
mircea_popescu: on
the contrary, would prolly be a selling point. "100 orgasms,
then your genitals fall off"
mircea_popescu: i don't
think
tissue damage is a drawback for
the practitioners.
mircea_popescu: smaller, obviously, and for
that matter can be designed for urethral insertion.
mircea_popescu: once mistress gets
tired of
taking off
the chastity device now and again,
there's
this special electrified insert, stimulates
teh prostate, instaorgasm and move on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, for
the male slave boi
this is actually
true ?
mircea_popescu: hey, you buy sluts in e-bar because
they're
the juicy, pendulous
titted fucktoys.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have issue with people using slide rule. i'm reacting
to people who are buying slide rules on ebay, because it's
the cool retro computational device
mircea_popescu: recall
that
the strength of
the wot comes specifically from
there not being a standard of behaviour.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: sure, an argument could be brought
that "hey, even blocking /random is faster
than dice". maybe.
then consider machines
that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe
they want pws
too. etc.
phf: from perspective of general education, it's better hygiene where
there wasn't any before. i'm more questioning people who use diceware because
they don't
trust own /dev/random
phf: right, we're just approaching
this from different direction
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with man carrying his water skin in plagued venice. "but where does
the water in it come from"
mircea_popescu: moreover, i'd say 99% of
the people making passwords by
throwing dice don't have dd or | on
the system, because
they're stuck on winblowz.
mircea_popescu: phf fancy
that -
they also make
their
tools
themselves.
phf: but if
the question is about other people,
then
there's a
trust slice
that is manifest on
the system.
the kind of person who
trusts his os x, should also
trust
the password generator on it. kind of person who downloads random online apps by some criteria, would be able
to apply same criteria
to selecting a password generator/manager
phf: i make my
tools myself, so script above works on my system, i have sufficient idea of its operation
to put it
to live munition
test.
phf: dd if=/dev/random|LANG=C
tr -dc '_A-Z-a-z-0-9'|fold -w10|head -n5
mircea_popescu: rolling dice is a better source for "please enter your password"
than... what, dreaming one up ?
phf: i
think it's collective unconsciousness response
to ongoing diddled hardware revelations
phf: a dice rng is "defective design". it's all over
the place, low
tech solution right in
the middle of high
tech stack. can't make one at home, since bias. wouldn't really make key by hand either. any optimizations
turn
to logical "why not flip electrons instead". i've noticed
the
tendency
though, friend
told me
that he's generating work passwords with dicewear
phf: strategic superiority
through judicial application of wood chipper
jurov: well, if someone generates
their keys with pre-worn dice and
tumbler supplied by enemy and strictly following instructions on
the
tumbler...
phf: actually, i'm misremembering. it's someone built a
tumbler
to
test dice bias, your conclusion was
that he's
testing errors in his OCR
phf: it came up in
the logs before
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this is not entirely a virgin field.
there is even a special
tumbler for
this process.
jurov: oh i forgot
to specify "it should be non-obvious"
jurov: you're welcome
to make a specifically worn dice
that produces only ~2 bits of entropy. i suspect
that would be very hard.
mircea_popescu: still, one really dedicated could create glass dice and sharpen
the edge by
the same process used
to make
the few-hundre-atom
thick blades
they use
to cut microscope samples with
jurov: if it's like 20% as i wrote above,
then it's still fine, no?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quest for "not electronic" interaction is a little lulzy
to me
thatsall
jurov: that's still pretty strong key after 100
throws
jurov: say you fudge
the
throws badly and in
the end get only 2 bits per
throw
mircea_popescu: it's unclear
to me exactly how not electronic
they are.