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midnightmagic: kakobrekla: Plain logs I have no problem with.

midnightmagic: kakobrekla: I have a problem with the quoting mircea does. It's illegal.

midnightmagic: kakobrekla: I am aware that this channel was made a publically-logged channel (but not in the topic) as a top-down directive because you are in the #bitcoin-* namespace.

midnightmagic: Okay go ahead. Also, you don't have my permission to quote anything I've said today.

mircea_popescu: yeah, if we can get to it, i'd like to explain this pre order money thing, cause it's what's important here.

mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire pre miningargument is a waste of time. i said "a little", you so far are making a case it's not a lot, maybe it;'s not a lot.

midnightmagic: I posit an alternate explanation: they purchased or had available the case metal prior to assembly, sitting in a supply bay somewhere.

mircea_popescu: no piece of hardware i ever bought as new came with dust in it.

mircea_popescu: pigeons yes, but i consider that a sidepoint of little importance

mircea_popescu: i'm seriously the only one of us three seeing an issue here ?

midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm misrepresenting that you often draw conclusions from insufficient evidence?

midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: If that is, indeed, what he's done, that sucks. I don't see any evidence for them mining their own hardware (difficulty spiked only on delivery as per users self-reporting,) but then you tend to jump to conclusions a lot (as per your assertion that gmaxwell wanted to steal rich peoples' money, because you didn't grok multisig, for example,) so why let the lack of facts get in the way this time?

pigeons: midnightmagic: i mean when avalon said that batch 1 had shipped please pay for batch 2 and 2 weeks later they said ok now we're shipping batch 1 i guess they werent caught at customs like we said

mircea_popescu: i guess he's never said cunt so he must be very ethical (or just not sufficiently familiar with english)

mircea_popescu: granted, i don't go by the very superficial approach most people seem to use.

pigeons: wait what did he do unethical? The thing I'm aware of is lying about having shipped when they hadn't

midnightmagic: I don't really care that he's upped the price. With a machine that pays for itself in less than 5 days (with luck) why would he not?

midnightmagic: He reversed designs of BFL and gave the information to the public. This is the evidence on which I based my opinion that he was the most ethical hardware manufacturer.

mircea_popescu: you're gonna end up running for political office i suspect.

mircea_popescu: or grep i guess

midnightmagic: Oh did you ask me questions that I never answered?

midnightmagic: Did I now.

jcpham: i can't listen anything that person says

jcpham: if usagi from the forum is the person from the youtube video i was watching

pigeons: i used to think usagi was just stupid, but this sounds evil

pigeons: yeah i used them saw the writing on the wall a few weeks ago when their one usd withdraw method, aurumxchange vouchx wouldnt work because they didnt have any reserves with aurum anymore

mircea_popescu: And I'll be damned if I hike any more

mircea_popescu: I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore

mircea_popescu: But I ain't seen any candy.

mircea_popescu: I've hiked and hiked and wandered too,

Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I MUST FIND THIS PLACE

Diablo-D3: I bet its full of robot arms moving piles of bitcoins around

Diablo-D3: can I go there?

Diablo-D3: "hi, I cracked sha256, but Im only using it on bitcoin"

pigeons: not a passthrough i mean a fan club

Diablo-D3: so I wonder how much money SD actually makes every day

jcpham: i want one of those cars

jcpham: i understood

Diablo-D3: no, I mean Tesla Motors

Diablo-D3: I wish all motors, dc converters, and generators were that efficient

jcpham: i'm really trying to understand the jump from the bullshit charts

mircea_popescu: ya i know

mircea_popescu: obviously bitbet absent. amusingly, i imagine it's paid a good chunk of total referals ever paid in btc

kakobrekla: ohh now i can finally asseble my timeflux capacitor

jcpham: i've enjoyed a good many of the talks

Diablo-D3: I really should subscribe to TED

jcpham: i've been stuck on it all day

jcpham: it got real trippy i had to turn it off

ThickAsThieves: 11:1 i think

jcpham: i got stuck on youtube for hours

[\\\]: pigeons: I'm rendon

jcpham: i'll drop ship a camera

pigeons: i'll gpg sign a copy of some shit i make up

[\\\]: I know he'd send it

Luke-Jr: I could always go downtown instead..

[\\\]: and I'm going to send them a gpgsigned copy of this log

jcpham: i did see that auction

pigeons: i'm seriously waiting for avalon asics to be common and then bfl buy them and slap butterfly stickers on them and ship

jcpham: i mean unless they run out of bubble wrap and cardboard

ThickAsThieves: I look forward to looking forward to that, \\\

[\\\]: ThickAsThieves: sometime next week, I should be able to maybe tell you something you probably don't want to hear

pigeons: ok since its flash i dont get to see usagi

Diablo-D3: I notice Luke-Jr didnt answer the question

Namworld: I see vampire music in the videos list...

Luke-Jr: (I'm not the only Floridian here - and the others have been here longer)

pigeons: but i know ill get tempted later

[\\\]: I'll warn you

[\\\]: mircea_popescu: may I make a bet that will bet on when bitbet gets shut down?

Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: besides, I would think you would want me to do God's work.

mircea_popescu: i know there was one on s.mpoe but it's not going so well

[\\\]: mircea_popescu: I meant paid troll

[\\\]: I thought usagi was female, no?

mircea_popescu: pigeons i think you're on the list of paid trolls nao.

smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i made mpoe.etf on the old version of glbse

mircea_popescu: i should reject all gpg sigs that don't include idpic

[\\\]: I remember back when glbse didn't require ID

smickles: I can type on the keyboard too

mircea_popescu: i seriously haven't been stoned in like 10 years

mircea_popescu: Namworld i kinda don't recall.

Namworld: I'm not really talking about volume, just quality of talk in this channel.

Namworld: Well, fair enough mircea. I know MPEx has been doing well and is the major volume. But at least there was more regular chatting about BTC businesses and less unrelated talk.

pigeons: oh shit better get my MSB license so i can still sell on silk road

[\\\]: omg, I f0rked the chain!!!11one

nOgAnOo: I'm out of here

pigeons: i thought the chinese relic hunter excuse was original to zhou, guess not

[\\\]: I think I'm going to make a script that automatically ignores people that write more than 2 lines in caps in a row

nOgAnOo: I KNEW IT

nOgAnOo: I've been gone a week

Chaang-Noi: i hate to leave this wonderful conversation but i has gots to go to a tropical island so i can drink beer and not do much else, catch ya all later, happy trading

Luke-Jr: [\\\]: oh, buy. why would I buy?

mircea_popescu: i know a guy named jesus. he's an argentine

nOgAnOo: I am a born again Christian

nOgAnOo: I like Jesus

Luke-Jr: smickles: I searched the page for 'foreskin'

smickles: mircea_popescu: i've got a picture of it

pigeons: shit smickles i thought you were making up the rings of staturn bit

kakobrekla: i heard of the foreskin before

Luke-Jr: smickles: I've never heard of anything of the sort

[\\\]: where can I see an article about all of this

copumpkin: now I feel bad