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ThickAsThieves:
i bet there are tons of foreign digital currencies US cant touch
tiberiusiv:
i think mpex shares took a dive from missing out on 2 major IPOs
mjr_: why do
i keep getting sucked back in (FUD, obvious refutations, repeat)
mjr_:
i won! first big win for bitcoin...oh no one wants the company?
smickles:
i bet it'd be running the whole time the case went on
tiberiusiv:
i dont think its illegal, im simply stating the position of the US government
smickles: if you alread said why you think SD is illegal, can you at least give me a timecode so
i can grep it
Namworld:
I guess it's not that bad... but not excellent
tiberiusiv:
i already told you, voorhees is running an illegal gaming operation under US laws, while being a subject of the united states.
smickles: the reason
I was asking was that
I don't believe you gave good justification for your position
tiberiusiv: smickles:
i already explained my position.
tiberiusiv: smickles:
i meant not being a US resident
smickles:
i don't think S.DICE represents the market value of SD at all
mjr_: that is the point...if you think most people, and obviously most people in this convo are excluded from this point, who trade sdice do any sort of fundamental analysis or even have traded stocks before...
i'd say that is optimistic
smickles:
i mean, we were talking about that, then you tried to say that the market on S.DICE is evidence of SD's illegality
tiberiusiv: if
i was voorhees id be on a plane along time ago
mjr_: ex dividend means
i trade HIGHEST right before dividend
smickles:
i believe the uncertainty lies elsewhere
mjr_: well dollar value of bets has been increasing if
i remember correctly\
tiberiusiv: smickles:
i know nothing is guaranteed
tiberiusiv:
i told you from the high dividend yield
tiberiusiv: as
i said, the market shares my opinion of higher then normal risk with sdice shares.
mjr_:
i'll leave it where kakobrekla was smart enough to...you don't really know what you are talking about
Namworld:
I don't consider anything regarding moving Bitcoins illegal and won't until
I'm told to. For now it's just some virtual tokens.
smickles:
I really don't think what SD is doing is illegal, and
I'd like to have a firm grasp of why some people do
tiberiusiv:
i dont get what that has to do with anything
mjr_: from what
i've read
smickles: tiberiusiv: you know voorhees isn't even the largest shareholder of SD, right?
i think he owns significantly less than half
mjr_:
i think your FUD and others ignorance will keep it trading low for quite a whiloe
tiberiusiv: if
i was wrong, sdice would be 2-3x higher and still offering a great return
smickles: < tiberiusiv> what cant you comprehend? <<
i think they feel you are misrepresenting what is happening
mjr_: tiberiusiv:
i work at a broker dealer...am
i operating a broker dealer?
mjr_: but
i think both mpex and sdice survive
mjr_:
i don't know about 0
jurov: and
i'm asking, if illegal gambling, why not illegal securities exchange, too?
tiberiusiv: jurov if you need that explained to you
i dont know what to say.
mjr_:
i was under the assumption this whole conversation that the feds were aware of satoshi dice
mjr_: LOL tipping them off?
i thjought they had the swat team ready
mjr_:
i'm not in love with it
tiberiusiv:
i dont fall in love with a stock like you do
jurov: duuude we're going in circles. just put your bitcoins where your mouth is..
i can provide some s.dice to shorting, too
mjr_: so...
i have optoins in my investment choice
mjr_:
i could invest in mpoe
mjr_: if
i hold bitcoins...
i get the return on increase in value of bitcoin
mjr_:
i know a lot better than you it would seem
mjr_: most of those super high returns
i would have realized without bitcoins
mjr_: but
i do not conflate the returns of bitcoins with the returns of sdice
mjr_: ok it is a good return, and
i've been quite happy
mjr_:
i have dollars lent out at almost 300%
smickles: tiberiusiv:
i opend a french and a UK bank account just a month ago
mjr_: but again, that is why
i risk my capital
tiberiusiv: satoshi can be taken down, and a new one will take its place
i agree
smickles: how did
i pull off opening a foreign bank account?
mjr_: what should
i do when people are being fearful?
mjr_: can't keep a good man down
i guess
mjr_:
i would love the price to fall a bit more
mjr_: so
i could make more money off FUD
mjr_:
i would even lend you my shares to short
mjr_: from what
i understand they aren't now
mjr_:
i was going off your points
mjr_: tiberiusiv: since as
i've said...their won't be anybody in the US
smickles:
i think they launched in ireland because, if in the future what they are doing is legally considered gambling, they can get a license
mjr_: tiberiusiv: so
i buy them now...instead of when they are expensive
mjr_: tiberiusiv:
i think we are on the same page...they are cheap now, but
i expect them to become expensive
mjr_:
i have bought on secondary and primary market
smickles: last
i knew, zynga didn't need to comply with gambling laws
mjr_: tiberiusiv:
i totally agree
tiberiusiv: smickesL: you dont understand terminology do you? gaming = gambling in what
i am referencing...
mjr_:
i find it hilarious, that the same people who usually decry the inefficiences of govt then when convenient say that they can literally do anything they put their mind to
smickles: tiberiusiv: you mean gambling, right? from what
i've read, the lawyers over there see playing satoshi dice with bitcoin as a game, not gambling
mjr_: ok, to clarify...
i think that the risk that the tin foil hat wearers see is overblwon
mjr_:
i don't think you can
mjr_:
i hate getting off scott free
mjr_:
i'll take my chances
i suppose
mjr_: but
i think it is already well known
mjr_:
i have a lot of faith in the long term prospects of that company
tiberiusiv: mjr:
i dont have to keep going, the market is indicating a 30% dividend for a reason, if it was safe the price of satoshi would be 2-3x what it is now.
mjr_:
i don't want to sell
mjr_: is that if
i believe in the company
mjr_:
i am just not interested in gaining on appreciation
mjr_: but
i'm sure they will do well