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Framedragger: yeah
there are friendly people here, with brains etc. weather is shit obvs., and i admit it affects me. hence
travels
to morocco and suchlike
mircea_popescu: anyway - yeah i suppose locals are fugly, but
then again glasgow gets a lot of foreign students/tourists.
Framedragger: just about. glasgow voted "yes"
to separation, obviously
mircea_popescu: the uk nearly lost it's only submarine base ; where
the only nuclear-bbc-radio-listener is based.
Framedragger: it is, it is. so what you're saying is
that scotland is not part of
the uk. if only
mircea_popescu: i only make fun of
the london people.
the scots are a sort of lithuania :D
Framedragger: so i heard! and
tbh i would indeed like
that, at least for a
time!
mircea_popescu: of course, it's entirely meaningless ; argentines never act on what
they or anyone else says.
mircea_popescu: you'd love argentina
then. ALL
they do is stop and chat in
the streets ; half hour at a
time, people who don't know each other.
Framedragger: i'm
too young
to hold a decent convo, seemingly. owell. glasgow, uk. it's alright. you'll make fun of uk
tho, and
that's only fair. i'll move at some point
Framedragger: it's
too cold, folks don't
talk much in streets,
though you can bump into an old guy who invites you
to chess for a beer (and by god he needs
that beer), he does well, you're in a very cheap shitty bar and you realize it's now closed and
the bar is serving vodka
to
the regulars who're now around you, sometimes succeeding in discussing something interesting
mircea_popescu: ok, so where' you from in
the sense of, where you at,
then.
Framedragger: i don't know what
to
think of
that country. i mean, it's shit, but
this is sorta a priori
Framedragger: there certainly exist chix who do bdsm
though, not
that it could be otherwise
Framedragger: yes. unless you mean "the club" (not venue),
then i'm not sure, but
there are people's circles which seem
to function well, yes. i've been out of
the country for some
time and am generally not in loop
Framedragger: lots of nice booty (for real
though, not a joke)
Framedragger: (incidentally, fuck marrakech.
the whole country's full of
tourists, but marrakech doubly so. fes is where it's at!!1)
mircea_popescu: the solution is
to behead
the caliph and put
the
town under proper administration, not
to shop around for "water" merchants. wtf are
they going
to sell you,
they all draw from
the same all-purpose pond.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantially wrong with freenode.
they're a merchant of faeces infested water, as good as any other merchant of "water" in marakesh.
Framedragger: misinterpreted question. "what does it buy". yeah,
the nice feeling inside, so, zero, i suppose
Framedragger: well, say, zero, really. possible
time cost for bot maintainers,
tho
Framedragger: i suppose
there's no
true need, but have you considered moving
to a new/different irc network? or can
that wait
till gossipd saves
the internet?
mircea_popescu: it's reasonable
to deem
they're under a gag order and actively diddled.
mircea_popescu: you know,
they announced a major bug which looked just like a nsa plant ; promised a full investigation
to soon follow ; haven't spoken a word since.
mircea_popescu: if you
try
to $rate someone it'll give you another
token, every
time
mircea_popescu: if you're unvoiced it can voice you, for a
token.
that's all it does.
Framedragger: but e.g. i auth with gribble and apparently
that's enough. deedbot sees
this. i guess
that's fine?
mircea_popescu: (the split occured because he was in [unannounced] vacation while gribble went down ; after not being reacheable for a few days it looked like we're under attack and a new bot was made ; and properly
this
time.
then nanotube came back, explained he was
taking a vacation [all
this being right around xmas] and well... no hard feelings, but also no readily available cure.)
mircea_popescu: there was some discussion with nanotube re his rewriting gribble
to act properly (ie, sessionless) and interchange data, but it never came
to naught. i dun
think gribble is still being much maintained. no idea really.
Framedragger: noob question but by god am i confused. is deedbot's WoT a different WoT from
that which is serviced by gribble?
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. i
think we'll need
to make a "min 4gb ram for new boxes"
tmsr standard ; so people can run general purpose +
trb on
them
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lemonade from
the morning
tragedy
shinohai: I
think I just got cursed at in hindi
trinque: need
to spin up a separate box for
the node
trinque: nah,
that box is getting pushed into swap by
trb
mircea_popescu: hey
trinque why does it answer so slowly ? is
the lisp machine getting restarted on each call or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: people who've been following along usually can't summon
the interest, having other flags
that call
them stronger.
mircea_popescu: the idea in my head has always been
that as intelligent people
try
to catch up,
they'll use
the wiki as
their scratchpad
Framedragger: have you folks considered making a god damn wiki of all
these funky letters, or is
that
too socialist of an effort? :)
mircea_popescu: ideally, one
that doesn't support utf. (not necessarily utf per se - just an instantiation of
the principle
that features may be supported only if inexpensive enough.)
mircea_popescu: kinda why "make a new html" comes in.
there's really no reason
to support
the bullshit. correct move would have been
to make a new ssh.
mircea_popescu: (i've not much followed libressl, chiefly because anyone purporting
to do crypto anything
that's not in my wot is an outright fraud)
Framedragger: they started by just choosing
to prune certain features off of
the beast ,
thereby removing some particularly bad parts
mircea_popescu: it's one of
those cases where
the
team may be better
than
the codebase ;
though honestly,
the size of
the matzah ball hanging on
their head means
that
they'll prolly get crushed if haven't already
mircea_popescu: they've not really had
time
to do much at any rate ; how long ago did
they split, a year ?
Framedragger: i mean it's a largish codebase, but in
terms of general approach / effort. borne out of anger
towards openssl, all
that
shinohai: How
to get more rubble for your ruble?
mircea_popescu: see above in log why i'm currently expecting
to see some horrors.
mircea_popescu: well since phuctor has a bunch of rsa work already done ; converting github rsa keys
to a usable format and checking
them by
the same process isn't
that
tall a step.
Framedragger: oh i have some of
those
there.. but
they're not important keys anyway. hey
that sounds like a nice project
Framedragger: re. github, just fyi github is less.. hegemonic
these days. gitlab is doing well, and
that one's a bit less shit etc.
this may sound like a partial solution
to a fundamental problem, sure, but mh i dunno.
mircea_popescu: the experience of myspace should be informative in
this sense. "network effect" is valuable for as long as
the median view is
that it's cool people
there ; once
that goes away, all
turner's billions can't fix
the suddenly un-critical network effect.
mircea_popescu: in historical
terms, "all good
things come
to
the port city", yes. until
the port gets a sand bar.
mircea_popescu: i don't credit
this "network effect" criticality
thing. yes, people came up with
that particular rebranding of panglossism
to sell inept investors on why
they should
throw money away. it worked.
that
the sale pitch worked does not make
the
theory
true.
Framedragger: but i probably overestimate
the powa of
the folk.
Framedragger: yeah fair enough, regarding numbers, of course
that makes sense. but social networks have
this nagging
thing of critical mass, sometimes. i know
this is a naive viewpoint, but with e.g. networks which are for meets-and-greets, you know, location-based circles whatnot, it does require some amount of people for
there
to be more people.
then again, maybe
there are more smart folk around
than i presume.
though
that's a dangerous assumption i
mircea_popescu: trilema is created as a "general purpose for literate people", so it contains lots of mini-versions of otherwise more seriously studied
topics.
Framedragger: (heheh in
the beginning of
that article are you basically quick-tutorialing people about
the analytic/synthetic distinction (in a way)? i mean it's about
the (possible existence of)
truth-conditions of propositions with no reference, but it has
this vibe
to it)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anywya, once mod6 gets
that
T thing going we can actually create
tickets for all
this, which'll make
the
task less insane. << making daily progress!
mircea_popescu: but
that's all
temporary and a bandaid for a chainsaw wound. in
the end, you don't see many oxcarts carrying freight
today.
mircea_popescu: sure, some are hobbists, some may get (for some
time, while
that lasts) subsidies.
mircea_popescu: and as
to
the other
thing : numbers per se are meaningless. if
there's a million
truck drivers in
the world, and 999`990 use a
truck
that does 10 mpg and i have 10 people using a
truck
that does 12 mpg, guess who'll be selling and who'll be buying
trucking companies in
the not so distant future.