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asciilifeform: i dun think in the language of demoocracy, and NEVER did, and these pieces are neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: what's the author care ?
asciilifeform: nah but if folks with actual brainz got a hold of it - then ~possibly~ something.
mircea_popescu: and the idea is that if pbs made a weekend special about it, what, majorana'd feel better ?
asciilifeform: kinda the definition of dead
asciilifeform: problem is that it is dead !
asciilifeform: bottom of the sea.
asciilifeform: same place majorana's unified theory sits.
mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck difference could it possibly make WHO READS IT!
asciilifeform: well he did end up writing 'into the void'
mircea_popescu: you're just another retarded teenage whore with a narcissism complex.
mircea_popescu: looky, if you want to do things FOR SUCH REASONS, you have absolutely no business deluding yourself with notions of "science" or whatever.
asciilifeform: understand, the circle of folks with actual education is ~small~
asciilifeform: the only folks who will read are the idiot grade-school educated 'physicists' who contemplate 'chemtrails'.
mircea_popescu: "how can i be an independent married woman" "you can't be" "but i want to live like i please and make my own decisions and also have fambly and stuff" "shut the fuck up, you're too stupid to breathe"
asciilifeform: the logic is that the result of 50k eotvos goes straight to /dev/null.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow the logic. what ?
asciilifeform: because that is ~where you go~ when you're drummed out of mainstream physics.
asciilifeform: he did not see anywhere to go other than ~to them~
asciilifeform: well it was a problem in the sense that
asciilifeform: putting 10,001 kinds of pretentious idiots in their place
asciilifeform: it was that his relationship with physics crackpots for last 30 yrs is ~same as mircea_popescu's - with bitcoin scammers
mircea_popescu: people like to delude themselves about all sorts of optionalities that they neither have nor could exist.
asciilifeform: sorta what i said to schwartz !
mircea_popescu: gotta know when you have the ~obligation~ to join the terrorists.
asciilifeform: that 'adelberger's torsion balance or it didn't happen'
mircea_popescu: to whom ? to them, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu earlier conceded that the 50k calorimeter would not constitute proof... iirc
mircea_popescu: well, principally schwartz has power to prevent schwartz. usually through variations of imgur thing.
asciilifeform: 'his' in the same sense a usg carrier is the captain's.
asciilifeform: would have 0 power to prevent schwartz.
asciilifeform: adelberger would be ~nothing~ without his $B toy.
mircea_popescu: idiots will idiot, it's what they do.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the computer "creates" priests is not unlike the 3yo's notion that THE CHAIR ~made it~ stumble.
asciilifeform: 'having 3 computers is worse than none'
mircea_popescu: and that math is insufficient is already seen in, say, protein study.
mircea_popescu: well, the reason that is all we have is that previous physics died in a pool of its own vomit ; and that current math is not up to the task of supporting a repair.
asciilifeform: is the presence of the 2 eotvos balances a net positive? or would we actually have a handle on schwartz's result if everyone was STUCK with my $50k version of the experiment (calorimeter.)
asciilifeform: consider how the eotvos thing went.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that the presence of the costly detector may very well subtract more from the field, in its adelberger gatekeeper creation, than it ever could add.
asciilifeform: and likewise that schrodinger et all were able to get pretty far without costly detectors, and i do not regard it as 'they had low-hanging fruit'
asciilifeform: but that it is ~all~ we have.
asciilifeform: my objection is not even to expensive detectors.
asciilifeform: where are the massive piles of burning paper, topped off by 10,001 hog-tied lifelong string practitioners ?
mircea_popescu: it's not related with "strings" other than, finally universally accepted proof they're nonsense.
asciilifeform: they EXPLICITLY rejected testability as a value.
asciilifeform: and that 'strings' are bunkum, and until the last 'strings' proponent is purged, there is no physics.
mircea_popescu: it's a detector! it's jobn is to detect!
asciilifeform: that there is no synthesis.
mircea_popescu: ok so then what is the objection ?!
mircea_popescu: because neither of these are, substantially, bars to its being physics.
asciilifeform: actually i understand pretty well how the thing works.
mircea_popescu: and you base this on anything other than "it's large and i don't exactly understand how it functions" ?
asciilifeform: my contention is that cern is not doing physics.
mircea_popescu: what is this, ricochet thinking with very angry people ?
mircea_popescu: but you seem to have attached in a random spot to my comparison, that wasn't in any sense contemplated in the original discussion.
asciilifeform: logic being that icbm was not a pure 'let's build pyramid to show how massive the imperial cock' exercise. it had measurable goals, like building bridge.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic here.
asciilifeform: all modern icbm are of this type.
asciilifeform: and in fact korolev suffered when yangel offered to solve SAME problem 100x cheaper with solid fuels.
mircea_popescu: well, it could be such a thing, in fiction.
asciilifeform: icmb was not research tool, it solved specific problem.
asciilifeform: and they build massive pyramid and 'physics is happy'
mircea_popescu: is icbm fuel tank "megalomaniacal" because of parochial view that ride-on lawnmower tank "should be enough for everyone" ?
asciilifeform: and their students.
asciilifeform: so they give it to 'physicists' which is 10,001 bob becks.
asciilifeform: the item in question is 'benevolent inca empire wants to give $billion to physics' but you can't give 'to physics' because that's somewhere between 0 to 3 guys and nobody's gonna give some unwashed weirdos a $b
mircea_popescu: what exactly "megalomaniacal" ? i dun get it. it's a tool.
asciilifeform: when you pile up usgola, you get megalomaniacal constructions with 0 insight. precisely the calutron from the previous thread.
asciilifeform: 'tesla-style' works with lone crackpot and limited resources. because he has the incentive to ~synthesize~
mircea_popescu: and it's broken there.
mircea_popescu: right, in the sense that it went as far as tesla-style can go
asciilifeform: massive employment program for adelbergers and their catamites.
mircea_popescu: what'd you have me call it ? take the cern cyclotron as the flagship example.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what i was talking about ; no idea why you colored it in idiocy-du-jour nsa crapolade./
asciilifeform: difference is that one you can actually do. in 10,001 entirely different but isomorphic ways.
asciilifeform: i could connect cable to tape and view tape with iron filings, and in fact have, and get same effect.
mircea_popescu: you're the cunt in this relationship. the penis, is ITS.
mircea_popescu: IT shows you the bits that are there.
asciilifeform: but it is! shows me the bits that are there.
mircea_popescu: says the man who believes pgpdump -i to be "naked eye"
asciilifeform: 'we forgot how to synthesize so let's collect shiny shings, like a crow'
mircea_popescu: need i dig up the link ?
mircea_popescu: i wasn't discussing that.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, good luck with that. nosce te ipsum's a bridge too far
asciilifeform: that's a surrender, may as well go back to trees.
mircea_popescu: point remains, the way ahead is probably going to be automated maths (as we discussed re v a year ago) applied to immense reams of data. just like in genetics, and so following.
asciilifeform: that it took 80y to get them out is testament to the disease of the century.
asciilifeform: solid state gyros were implicit in lilienfeld's (yes, 20s!) transistor.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, and solid state gyros are a thing of the devil ?
asciilifeform: the alternative is that it is 1920s germany and men are men.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of it. "physics" is not a thing. the paradigm is too broken to rescue.
asciilifeform: stamp collecting with 0 idea wtf yer doing and why instantly devolves to demonology.
mircea_popescu: lotta classification work in nature before anatomy became a thing
mod6: that's totally its new name
mircea_popescu: looky alf : it's fucking broken. we know it's broken. there's no fixing this. gotta collect stamps because gotta start somewhere.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the deep reason "government" as in, the united retards, are so fixated on big data is simply because that's what physics has been doing since ~80s
mircea_popescu: sure, plenty of that. but no, for the same money you could say 1915 physics is made of perpetuum mobile quacks.
asciilifeform: modern day unphysics is made of a thousand little adelberger scum.