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Anduck: tyrion70: can you also read that
a unit is 1 m-board and 1 h-board?
tyrion70: yeah so you could read
a unit as 1 m board and 16 h boards..
fractal: Anduck:
A unit is whatever fits on 1 M-board
tyrion70: of KnC would ship two boxes for
a jupiter..
tyrion70: then at the site one would see that
a kit containts 1 m board and 16 h boards..
tyrion70: anduck, yes which would mean that one would have to visit their site in order to see what
a "unit" is..
Anduck: i am not proving
a point
tyrion70: yes but it does not define
a unit..
tyrion70: it doesn't specify what
a unit is.. so it might..
fractal: Otherwise people will try to change what
a UNIT means after the fact
fractal: Hopefully everyone can learn
a lesson from this -- and realize that bet language must be very specific.
fractal: To be honest -- if there ever was
a case to invalidate
a bet -- i think this would be it...
Anduck: ending up with
a 400gh kit performing >400gh at <400W
fractal: the 400Gh unit is infact
a 365Gh unit.
fractal: pankkake: absolutely. I'm sure Anduck is also tired of pretending
a KIT/UNIT is more then what was advertised.
fractal: pankkake: well, if you side with bait and switch fraudsters who can change the definition of
a UNIT after the fact, then I guess i shouldn't worry about you calling me
a jerk
fractal: yes it is, because people assumed the 400Gh unit was
a UNIT was , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- thats what they based their bet on.... to say otherwise is
a bait and switch scam, fraud, and nothing more.
fractal: pankkake: again, you're
a jerk.
fractal: rulother-tab: Its great that they got more then what they ordered. But what is at debate here is what
a 400Gh unit is. At the time the bet was made it was defined at "
a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- and that only does 365Gh. which means all conditions of the bet are not met
Anduck: there's no way it should end up as
a no since all the requirements are met.
fractal: pankkake: wow, you are
a jerk.
fractal:
a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- this does not do 400Gh.
fractal: if they have to ship more, the UNIT missed performance, and the bet is
a no
fractal: When people placed the bet, all the information they had to go by was that
a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" .... This is the only amount of hardware they were taking into consideration when making the bet.
fractal: No. he got
a 400gh KIT as advertised -- ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- which missed performance targets. that the compmany sent him more hardware has nothing to do with the fact that the 400Gh unit AS ADVERTISED is 365gh
fractal: the guy on the forums ordered
a 400 kit AND
a 25 kit
Anduck: the unit is the same as
a kit as we've already talked earlier, right?
fractal: You can't change after the fact what UNIT was supposed to mean. Also. Nobody who ordered
a 400Gh unit actually got 2-mboards so far.
Anduck: the kit includes
a lot more than only m-boards and h-boards
fractal: You are trying to change what you meant after the fact.... when the bet started -- everyone assumed that
a 400Gh KIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
fractal: They shipped more hardware, and are by far the best ASIC manufactuerer so far, and I will order from them... and they've done
a great job..... but that has nothing to do with the bet language
fractal: UNIT is 1 KIT of 1-mboard. anything more then that is no longer
a single unit or kit.
Anduck: fractal: yeah that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards wasn't enough for
a kit, they had to add more hw
fractal: pankkake: all conditions of the bet must be met for it to be
a yes. All conditions were not met. The unit/kit in question does not perform at 400Gh.
Anduck: fractal: unit is
a kit as we already talked before.
fractal: pankkake: It mentions
a UNIT - which is is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips". its not irrelevant. sorry.
Anduck:
a kit was meant to be that hardware, yes. but it failed that. it's more hardware
fractal: No, its not met --
a kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips". It does not do 400Gh.
fractal: And
a kit is "is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
FabianB_: why not just wait
a few hours and see what it resolves to?
fractal:
A 400Gh kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
fractal: pankkake: it says the performance of
a UNIT AS ADVERTISED. The advertised 400Gh Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh.
fractal: Anduck: the fact that they had to do that, means that they missed performance on their 400Gh 'kit' and the bet is
a no.
fractal: Anduck: The fact is that people betting on bitbet.us can ONLY go by what the language of the bet says --- The bet says
a 400Gh miner, as advertised, must be 400Gh.... The advertised Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh.
fractal: Which means the bet is
a no. they shipped more because they missed on performance. its the same as
a refund.
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says. the bet says
a 400Gh miner, as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
Anduck: it's
a picture of 1 m-board filled with 16 h-cards
fractal: That's
a picture of the kit/unit. it doeesn't do 400Gh....
Anduck: i get
a 400gh KIT which is same as 400gh UNIT as we already accepted.
Anduck: and i get
a 400gh unit and it does the 400gh? chip count changed, yes
Anduck:
a kit was promised to do 400 ghash and it does that
tyrion70: but the definiton of
a kit is not in the bet..
tyrion70: so anducks definition of
a unit being "whats in the box"
tyrion70: but there is no such thing as
a unit...
fractal: pankkake: well, its
a no, if you read the bet language.
fractal: Anduck: The HW promise IS the performance promise! Imagine if you are running
a server farm, and Intel says --- "oh, sorry, our chips aren't fast enough --, but heres 1000 extra servers. Oh, you can't fit them in your datacenter because you ran out of space? too bad!!"
Anduck: one looks that yeah they can't make 256 produce 400gh at <400W. but if 256 chips don't make 400gh, it isn't
a 400gh unit, right?
fractal: Anduck: tyrion is saying that the bet can be viewed from
a 'customer' perspective or
a 'technical' perspective.... depending on which one, the bet can be
a yes or no.
tyrion70: so it was unclear what
a unit was...
Anduck: it made it with
a different hardware amount than promised. but that wasn't partt of the bet
tyrion70: so if I were to read up on what
a unit was I would think its
a kit?
fractal: tyrion70: I think its clear the bet language is not great. it its cancelled, i would understand, but I think it comes down to what most people would interpret
a 'UNIT as Advertised' as being...
tyrion70: I could have read on the website that if I ordered
a kit I would get 1 m board with 16 boards..
Anduck: the website only declares that
a kit is 1 m-board + 16 h-boards
tyrion70: apparently there are two ways of looking at
a unit..
Anduck: unit can be
a group of smaller units
tyrion70: who says
a unit is an order...
tyrion70: Anduck what was your understanding of
a unit?
Anduck: >400gh at <400W makes
a rate of <1 W/GH
fractal: that would mean they failed on performance.... the bet would be
a NO
tyrion70: now if the bet says:
a jupiter at advertized performance (400GH) the bet would be NO right?
tyrion70: there is no bitfury "unit" therefore ppl betting might have different opinions on what
a unit is..
fractal: For the record -- nobody who ordered
a 400Gh OR LESS has reported receiving more then 1 M-board.
Anduck: it's
a single 400gh unit you buy. you get the 400gh (even though it's splitted in 2 mainboards and 19 h-boards)
tyrion70: because 2 units makes the bet
a no..
fractal: 1 master board is therefore assumed to be
a UNIT
tyrion70: anduck: do you agree that if I ordered
a 400 GH Kit from bitfury and I openend the box I would see two "units"
Anduck: so where does one come up with that
a 400gh unit is 1 m-board with 16 h-boards???
fractal: Anduck: And
a KIT, as advertised is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips",
tyrion70: anduck, I could argue that if I ordered
a 400GH Kit as you describe it, I now received 2 units...
fractal: tyrion70: i agree with you, your arguement that this is
a bad bet, is probably valid.
fractal: Anduck: everyone can see that
a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
fractal: You can't write
a bet and they say "oh, I actually meant this" later
fractal: Well obviously its not clear....
a 400Gh unit/kit was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
tyrion70: it's not
a no, and not
a yet..
fractal: well,
a 400Gh UNIT does not exist.....
fractal: tyrion70: of course thats true. which is why its
a bad bet i think...
fractal: Anduck: which means the bet is
a no, since the hardware does not perform as advertised.