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jurov: but that 0.022
a dude offered... couldn't resist
dub: thats doubled in
a week?
kakobrekla: 3000 tx fees is
a huge loss for zhoutong
mircea_popescu: just like you don't want to live in
a place where you have to eat shit.
mircea_popescu: because you don't want to live in
a place you can't make
a bitcoin gambling site anyway
mircea_popescu: benkay just find
a place that's reasonable to live in, has hot chicks and isn't an ally of the nazis.
fractal: for fucks sake.... I just spend 30 mins making
a post about this bet and it timed out when i clicked submit now i have to type again . for fucks sake.
fractal: I'm glad there was at least
a note on the bet that addressed the uncertaintly of it.... and even though fraud is
a strong word -- you have thick skin, -- i think you've called every other exchange
a scam/fraud at least
a few times ;)
fractal: I'm glad you could at least see both ends yourself --- but why can't they be annulled due to poor language? what if the admin accidently allows
a bad bet, and only realizes its
a bad bet afterwards?
fractal: Diablo-D3: For sure its
a bad bet. I'm an idiot for betting on it i suppose.
Diablo-D3: bitbet should have never accepted it as
a bet to begin with
fractal: 14:11, and its only because Anduck wrote the bet and put up 10. he apaprently has inside knowledge from punin on when shipping was occuring -- not that theres
a problem with that,, but there were more individual no bettors then yet
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i wonder how the legal system would work irl if every time someone got convicted or anything + every time someone lost
a civil case they got space in the newspaper to expound on how the legal system is
a fraud.
Diablo-D3: fractal: mp is
a known troll, just ignore him
fractal: what ar eyou talking about? did you think the bet was
a yes? seriously????
thestrin1puller: I imagine now this is how
a parent feels when their child won't stop sticking forks in the electrical outlets.
mircea_popescu: fail that, you'll get to learn the hard way why coding
a site is not worth the electric power it took, on its own.
mircea_popescu: dude, i would like to see your site. sooner or later you're going to have someone lose some btc on
a bet, and they'll be pissed off, and you'll be wiser for the experience.
fractal: fun? whats fun about passing
a bet that didn't meet all conditions?
fractal: fraudlent actually... this will certainly affect Bitbet's image, as I'm writing
a long and drawn out forum post right now
fractal: exactly.... It's absolutely unbelieveable that the bet was passed as
a yes.
fractal: Diablo-D3: not without
a hardware mod that voids warranty
fractal: This is what was advertised as
a 400Gh 'UNIT' -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
mircea_popescu: so when's this new site coming online ? i think i'd bet
a little on yes myself.
Graet: i'd use fractal 's site to make
a bet bitbet are scammers :D
fractal: well, bitbet is clearly
a fraudulent site -- logic and reason shows that the bet was
a no. I dont know what else to say.
mircea_popescu: traditionally it's presented as
a dichotomy, business / personal.
fractal: yes. Its clear that ALL conditions of
a bet must be met -- they weren't....
fractal: I'm going to use it to motivate me though -- I'll be coding
a competing site starting next week to put them out of business. 0% fees.
fractal: Seems like they admit all conditions were not met -- "all technicalities aside the bet was substantially delivered upon." technicalities are exactly why the bet is
a no
mircea_popescu: look all, someone's charging more than me. 50 btc to be
a cool dude there.
random_cat: i just generated
a new address, but i want to immediately short on btce anyway
jurov: random_cat: oh and i meant it
a bit ironically
ozbot: PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCMENT: Coinjar is
a SCAM. Deletes your accounts
Duffer1: It seems like it hasn't even been
a week since they announced they'd be using iafcu
jurov:
a poor soul decided to short and is selling for this price
qqq111: I'm surprised there isn't
a 'US will strike syria by X date' bet
qqq111: looking at it from
a PR viewpoint for bitbet, it would probably be best to nullify... avoid the inevitable forum shitstorm. (unless thats what the owners want ;)
zoinky: so is the easiest way to get
a feed to have
a ircbot watching assbot?
pankkake: it doesn't have
a web socket, at least not
a public one. even the "realtime" thing is just
a page refreshed every other second
zoinky: does BTCT have
a websocket?
fractal: I hope they dont decide without
a long discussion
fractal: I think this is
a serious discussion to have If i were bitbet.... its clear they shipped on time and are
a great company .... but the language of the bet here -- specifically what
a 'UNIT' is defined as-- is very important.
fractal: saulimus is right.... I'll unilaterally stop discussion for
a while. so I can regain my sanity.
tyrion70: cuz if you had to pay more it would have been
a no..
fractal: the definition of
a UNIT here is very important.
fractal: Anduck: The bet says performance for
a 400Gh UNIT.
tyrion70: they changed the definition of
a unit halfway the bet..
fractal: Anduck: then the bet would be
a yes. it would over-perform.
fractal: For
a UNIT to have performance, there has to be
a UNIT that someone can speak of .... the UNIT is question is " "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
fractal:
a UNIT has to have performance. and the definition of the UNIT is what bfsb.com says -as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
tyrion70: ok but it means that bitfury can influence the outcome of the bet with
a technicality..
tyrion70: I'd expect
a unit to have
a performance..
fractal: Anduck: thats right.... nobody is disagreeing with that. We're talking about the bet language which defines
a UNIT as as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B" -- this is 365Gh
fractal: Anduck: the 400Gh unit doesn't produce 400Gh... it produces 365Gh..... the extra hardware is shipped to make up for performance misses..... its VERY GOOD PR and means bitfury is
a great company, but it also means not all condiitons of the bet were met.
tyrion70: gave you
a 1-m and 16h board with 200$?
Anduck: you can't talk about 1 unit to be that since there was
a different unit/kit available too
Anduck: if you get an option to buy something more, it's
a different order
tyrion70: why would the bet be
a no if you had to pay 30$ more?
fractal: So what is that its not fair to NO betters who based their bets on the definition of
a UNIT as advertsied at the time of writing the bet.
tyrion70: you just said, if you had to pay more it was
a no right?
fractal: Anduck: But the definition of
a unit , as advertised by bsfb.com, was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips " -- and it is not 400Gh
tyrion70: that's
a different viewpoint..
tyrion70: and fractal payed for
a 256 chip 400ghash unit and gets 400 ghash with 300 chips...
tyrion70: what I mean to say is that you look at it from
a dollar perspective..
fractal: Anduck: But they didn't get
a 400Gh unit. they got
a 365Gh unit.
tyrion70: its relevant because you don't recognize it as being
a variable..
fractal: In my view as well, getting more hardware is the same as if the manufacturer missed performance, let them keep the 365Gh UNIT, and offered
a $ refund.
tyrion70: well why would it be
a no if they asked for 100$?
Anduck: if i had to pay more, it would definately be
a no
tyrion70: so you added
a variable to the bet..
tyrion70: would you still think its
a yes anduck?
fractal: Anduck: don't you think if NO bettors bet based on one definition of UNIT, and then the definition of
a UNIT changed, then it's disingenuous to people who bet no?
tyrion70: it's
a silent dollar but its there..
fractal: OK, and
a 400Gh unit, according to the Genesisbloack, and MXRider is defined at 1 M-board and 16 H-cards
fractal: Anduck: If they never shipped
a 'UNIT' then I guess the bet is invalid, since they only shipped 'KITS'?
fractal: Anduck: any rational person would assume the 400Gh unit to be
a KIT as defined on the BFSB.com website.
tyrion70: yes so one could argue that
a unit == kit ==256 chips..
tyrion70: and by changing the definition of
a kit they changed the perspective..
tyrion70: that depends on how you see
a unit anduck...
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: it's more of
a loop of same input again and again
fractal: even genesisblock calls it
a UNIT.. 16 h-bards on 1 m-board
tyrion70: and "
a unit" changed during the course of the bet correct anduck?
tyrion70: the bet was talking about "
a unit"...
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this discussion has hashed worth
a block by now.
Anduck: the kit is same thing is
a unit - as we talked earlier